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Witnesses outside school begged officers to go inside while shooting going on
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:05 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:05 am
Well here's something I haven't heard yet. Nutshell - people outside the school during the shooting were yelling at police to go inside and do something during the active shooting. When cops didn't go in some of the bystanders thought about going in.
Let's remember here all reports have said the killer had killed all 21 people before the police decided to take him down.
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Let's remember here all reports have said the killer had killed all 21 people before the police decided to take him down.
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Witnesses said that loved ones and onlookers anxiously waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday as the gunman was inside shooting teachers and students urged police who were outside the school to go in and try to stop the shooter.
Some also suggested they take it upon themselves to try and stop the shooter.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said the gunman could have been in the school for 40 minutes to an hour.
"Go in there! Go in there!" a woman shouted to officers soon after the shooting happened, witness Juan Carranza, 24, said. He lives across the street from the school. "There were more of them. There was just one of him," he said.
But he said the officers stayed outside.
Javier Cazares went to the school after hearing about the shooting because his daughter went to school there.
He said he suggested a group of civilians "rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to. More could have been done. They were unprepared."
His daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, died in the attack.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:12 am to Homesick Tiger
Damn. That is horrible if true. It is doubtful they could have prevented deaths (I would anticipate the majority of the killing was already over) but you should assume there is still a chance.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:13 am to Homesick Tiger
Pretty hard to believe as some of the LEOs' own kids attended there, and one died. But maybe so. 
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:15 am to Homesick Tiger
So you are blaming the Police? Should be blaming the shooter's parents for their horrible parenting. Civilians rushing into a live fire situation would just lead to more casualties. Granted the Police should go in...but not until they have information on what they are going into. Running blindly into an active shooting usually does not end well.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:19 am to TideHater
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Civilians rushing into a live fire situation would just lead to more casualties.
Some people put their safety second when it comes to their childrens's safety first.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:26 am to Homesick Tiger
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Some people put their safety second
I agree the world is full of stupid people. I would prolly do the same in that instance. However it is a stupid thing to do. Are there multiple shooters? Are there explosives? etc.... Police patrolmen are not trained to rush into a live fire situation. They are trained to set up and contain the situation until a higher authority makes a decision. Cops are not superhuman crime fighters. Most of them have a C minus HS education level. I just think that the blame does not fall to them. They prolly have families. Scared of lawsuits and constantly worrying about defunding. Unless it was my kids school...I wouldnt run in blindly either.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:32 am to Homesick Tiger
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Some people put their safety second when it comes to their childrens's safety first.
I told my wife that if I was there and my kid was in the school that I can't imagine me sitting and waiting if the cops were not going in. Likely would have been arrested trying to get to my kid.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:35 am to TideHater
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I agree the world is full of stupid people. I would prolly do the same in that instance. However it is a stupid thing to do. Are there multiple shooters? Are there explosives? etc.... Police patrolmen are not trained to rush into a live fire situation. They are trained to set up and contain the situation until a higher authority makes a decision. Cops are not superhuman crime fighters. Most of them have a C minus HS education level. I just think that the blame does not fall to them. They prolly have families. Scared of lawsuits and constantly worrying about defunding. Unless it was my kids school...I wouldnt run in blindly either.
It’s not about being stupid. It’s about sitting outside of a building and not knowing if that next gunshot is for your child. I couldn’t live with myself if I sat outside and that next shot was for my daughter or son. Believe it or not, there are things worst than dying and living with that guilt is one. Is it tactically smart? No but it’s children that need you so you go.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:36 am to Homesick Tiger
Same thing was said in the Miami shooting
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:39 am to TideHater
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. Police patrolmen are not trained to rush into a live fire situation. They are trained to set up and contain the situation until a higher authority makes a decision.
This doesn't make sense. So if the higher authority decides to rush in a live fire situation then it's okay even though as you say the cops aren't trained for that?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:44 am to Homesick Tiger
You do realize that real life is not like a Law and Order episode.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:47 am to SOSFAN
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You do realize that real life is not like a Law and Order episode.
I realize that at the end of the day that whatever happens on tv shows that everybody gets to go home when the director says it's a wrap for the day.
Those kids didn't have that choice.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:49 am to Homesick Tiger
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Those kids didn't have that choice.
Which is the shooters fault and his immediate family not the Police.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:53 am to SOSFAN
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Which is the shooters fault and his immediate family not the Police.
So you just wait until the shooter gets done with his business before attempting to stop him? That's convenient.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:56 am to Homesick Tiger
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A person who spoke on condition of anonymity said Border Patrol had trouble opening the locked door and a staff member had to get a key.
But an 18 year old armed psycho waltzed right in to the school?
[quote]"The bottom line is law enforcement was there," McCraw said. "They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom."[/quote]
How did that work out?
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 5:57 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:59 am to Homesick Tiger
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So you just wait until the shooter gets done with his business before attempting to stop him? That's convenient
Do you just rush in without knowing what you're rushing into? It's easy to play the should of when you weren't even there.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:02 am to Homesick Tiger
It's a repeat of what happened in Broward County where the sheriff had to be removed from office for ordering his men to stand down while a gunman shot up a school.
You guys, these things are false flag shootings. These shooters are groomed and handled by feds. The purpose of them is to shock the American people enough to be willing to give up their 2A rights. It's fricking obvious and the longer people keep their heads in the sand about it the longer we aren't addressing the real issues at play here.
And yes, cops can be in on it. Really it only takes one. The chief. Like Scott Israel in Florida. He ordered his men to stand down and they did, even though they didn't want to. If I remember correctly, eventually one of the good cops went in anyways. You don't need to have a bunch of corrupt cops. Just the ranking officer.
You guys, these things are false flag shootings. These shooters are groomed and handled by feds. The purpose of them is to shock the American people enough to be willing to give up their 2A rights. It's fricking obvious and the longer people keep their heads in the sand about it the longer we aren't addressing the real issues at play here.
And yes, cops can be in on it. Really it only takes one. The chief. Like Scott Israel in Florida. He ordered his men to stand down and they did, even though they didn't want to. If I remember correctly, eventually one of the good cops went in anyways. You don't need to have a bunch of corrupt cops. Just the ranking officer.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:05 am to TideHater
So if your child is in there and you are armed, you stand down until the order comes? BS! No way! I remember that Sherrif saying “I’m going to lose some deputies”. Train wreck.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:08 am to Homesick Tiger
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When cops didn't go in
Is there a better case for armed faculty?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:09 am to RCDfan1950
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So if your child is in there and you are armed, you stand down
More than likely I would do the same, rush in blindly, get shot by the gunman, mistakenly shot by police, miss and hit a child, etc... But yes I would probably make that stupid mistake. I have never been in that situation...neither have you. The police are not to blame for someone elses lack of parenting or mental instability.
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