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re: Why have Trump, Rudy, et al waited so long to publicly release their evidence?

Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:54 am to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:54 am to
Why interrupt your enemy, when they are in the process of destroying themselves?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:56 am to
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And yes, the election was probably stolen. But when we foolishly include bullshite in our charges - which Trump and his idiot minions certainly did


What? The OP is claiming no evidence.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 7:00 am
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13787 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:59 am to
Dude, I asked a couple of simple questions that called for yes or no answers. You give me a wall of text yet no answers. LOL. I really don’t care if these two particular women were involved in the massive fraud that occurred.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12207 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:01 am to
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Didn't Dinesh D'Souza produce a movie 2000 mules with video tape of ballot harvesting? Is that not evidence?


Ballot harvesting is legal in 24 states and DC. Also, D’Souza is being sued by several of the people he claimed were stuffing ballots. 2000 Mules was a movie with an agenda no different than the Making A Murderer series was.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138978 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:07 am to
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It's a simple question: Why do the people who claim to have all this evidence refuse to release it to the public?
You're a bright guy. So, given that, the better question is why, when all this evidence has been released to the public, are you still so clueless about it?

Perhaps the answer is, the news sources you heavily rely upon simply have not reported any of it.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:19 am to
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the news sources you heavily rely upon simply have not reported any of it.




Ask him to name HIS go-to sources for News.

He's quick to dismiss anything from sources he sees as Right-leaning, but so far hasn't had the guts to go on record with HIS favorite sources.

Usually when someone refuses to name those they consider legit sources, it's a sign of cowardice because they know THEIR sources won't stand up to the scrutiny they project on others.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:22 am to
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Ballot harvesting is legal in 24 states and DC
Only if the ballot was actually completed by the individual for whom it was issued. Only if the harvester does not selectively submit/discard ballots. Only if the harvester does not knowingly collect illegal ballots, as in 1000+ collected from an empty lot address. Right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:25 am to
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Perhaps the answer is, the news sources you heavily rely upon simply have not reported any of it.


No this site keeps posting about the, but rarely in a setting to withstand scrutiny.

Like these 2 examples you posted earlier:

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Do you believe unspoiled test ballots generated at the DVS Fulton Machine Test Center, which were never audited, could have been fraudulently inserted into the system?

Do you believe Ruby Freeman when she says, after the observers left, they were told "the count was short," so her supervisor pulled out a box of votes from under the table, and they started processing them?


Rudy admitted he lied instead of producing any evidence to support either of these claims. Why? Even if the damages weren't crazy, he'd still have had to pay into 6-figures for this admission. Why not just, you know, produce his evidence?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12207 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:27 am to
LINK

LINK

Defamation lawsuit against D’Souza is headed to discovery. Hopefully this doesn’t end up like the Dominion vs Fox News discovery went.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:28 am to
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The OP is claiming no evidence.

I'm not claiming "no evidence".

I'm asking why people being prosecuted and sued refuse to show this evidence to defend themselves, and why they even waited until trial to unleash the kraken, so to speak.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:30 am to
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Ask him to name HIS go-to sources for News.

I don't have a single "go to" source for news.

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He's quick to dismiss anything from sources he sees as Right-leaning

This is a lie.

I'm quick to dismiss anything from shitty outlets that deceive, like the Gateway Pundit, who I routinely own on here with minimal research. The Jacobin has more intellectual merit and integrity. The Jacobin!.

Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15717 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:31 am to
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why, when all this evidence has been released to the public, are you still so clueless about it?


OP voted for Biden and 100% supports leftist causes, including lawfare against political opponents.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:32 am to
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OP voted for Biden




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and 100% supports leftist causes,


LINK?

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including lawfare against political opponents

You can't even adequately define "lawfare" for any sort of discussion.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:33 am to
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I'm asking why people being prosecuted and sued refuse to show this evidence to defend themselves, and why they even waited until trial to unleash the kraken, so to speak.




I believed they tried in many instances and the "evidence" was disallowed or never got the chance to present said evidence. Also in cases like the Coffee County case (IIRC) in GA when the defendants are court ordered to produce the ballots we find out county election officials destroyed them.

Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82395 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:33 am to
Without transparency, government is guilty until proven innocent.

The burden of proof is not on the people to show we had an honest election.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:33 am to
"If the glove doesnt fit, you must acquit"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:35 am to
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Without transparency, government is guilty until proven innocent.

You just made that up

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The burden of proof is not on the people to show we had an honest election.

That has nothing to do with Rudy making statements and then swearing and confirming these statements were a lie, instead of producing evidence.

Or the Pillow Guy losing a $5M bet about his purported evidence he released to the public.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:36 am to
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I believed they tried in many instances and the "evidence" was disallowed or never got the chance to present said evidence.

Those were post-election lawsuits.

Again, it's been almost 3 years. Why haven't those same people brought that evidence to the public sphere?

Just because you lost a lawsuit doesn't mean the evidence isn't ready for public consumption/discussion.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:43 am to
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Because they don’t have evidence. Mostly because they’re lazy and incompetent.


I think most are very aware of this now. They were counting on people using their common sense, video evidence, obvious discrepancies and abnormalities and for there to be a massive public outcry. They didnt expect that the steal was reasonably well pulled off in a way thats hard to legally prove. They also didnt expect the US government to go full Soviet on dissenters to hunt them down, throw them in prison, or try to bankrupt them with endless lawfare.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37576 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 7:46 am to
Gateway Pundit and Conservative Treehouse are not exactly reliable or neutral sources. This site relies heavily on both as sources of hard news . Especially Gateway Pundit which at times I'm convinced is a set up troll site
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