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re: Why have Trump, Rudy, et al waited so long to publicly release their evidence?

Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13787 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:23 pm to
Untold thousands of “mail ballots.” Paid runners collecting hundreds of said ballots and returning them en masse. Are you trying to tell us that didn’t happen?

The “burst water pipe” and the exclusion of Republican election monitors. The destruction of ballots by Fulton County. Did those things not happen?
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:25 pm to
Troll thread trollin
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

Troll thread trollin

Maybe trolling Rudy for being a fricking idiot, but not trolling this board.

People have been told to wait to hear the evidence.



It's a simple question: Why do the people who claim to have all this evidence refuse to release it to the public?
Posted by grich31
Youngsville, La
Member since May 2008
2169 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:29 pm to
There is no real proof of anything other than Trump lost and lied to his supporters to continue to grift for donations to pay his incoming legal fees and enrich him and his family, whether his supporters are will to admit u were part of a con and are still part of a con, produce all of this evidence we all hear about
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:38 pm to
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Why do the people who claim to have all this evidence refuse to release it to the public?


More trollin
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

More trollin

No it's a legitimate question.

Either they don't have the evidence they claim they do or they're waiting for something. I'm curious what that something is, exactly.

I've never even argued that they didn't think they had evidence. But even that hasn't been distributed to the public. All we have is the Lindell stuff that has been shown to be gibberish data and cost him a $5M bet.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138978 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 4:37 am to
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Do I believe that Dominian hacked machines? Servers in Europe? Millions of illegal votes? No.
Do you believe DVS machines were accessible from the internet in some locales?

Do you believe that DVS software allows for server batch vote manipulation under circumstances of remote access?

Do you believe that massive voter fraud accompanied VBM systems?

Do you believe that had Dane and Milwaukee Counties been forced to abide WI election law, like every other (red) county in the state, the outcome in WI would have been the same?

Do you believe the uneven curing of Dem vs GOP votes in PA affected vote totals?

Do you believe unspoiled test ballots generated at the DVS Fulton Machine Test Center, which were never audited, could have been fraudulently inserted into the system?

Do you believe Ruby Freeman when she says, after the observers left, they were told "the count was short," so her supervisor pulled out a box of votes from under the table, and they started processing them?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55573 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 5:42 am to
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Vote tallies in the night, mysterious dumps of ballots, states re-writing election law in violation of their constitution, confirmation of batches of ballots without signatures

1. There is zero wrong with vote tallies in the night.
2. There were no “mysterious” dumps of ballots. States have varying procedures that usually result in only counting some ballots if the traditional election day vote is close enough. It’s a money saving and practical device.
3. Confirmation of ballots without signatures and illegally changing state election law were indeed problems.

And yes, the election was probably stolen. But when we foolishly include bullshite in our charges - which Trump and his idiot minions certainly did - we make it so easy for the Dems to discredit us.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30512 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 5:53 am to
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Untold thousands of “mail ballots.” Paid runners collecting hundreds of said ballots and returning them en masse. Are you trying to tell us that didn’t happen?

The “burst water pipe” and the exclusion of Republican election monitors. The destruction of ballots by Fulton County. Did those things not happen?



Why is there is voluminous evidence that all this existed would Rudy just throw up his hands and personally sign a Nolo Contendre Stipulation that what he said about Freeman and Moss was a lie? There are two basic defenses to defamation: the truth and protected speech. Outside of avoiding discovery and streamlining an action why would anyone just give away one of the defenses? Maybe, just maybe you were taken for a ride and all the evidence that we were told exists simply doesn't. Rudy had the chance to do what everyone has been waiting for: to get the evidence before the court and into the public record.

It is becoming more and more clear evidence that can stand up to the scrutiny of cross-examination simply does not exist. At some point you have to step back and look at this as if the shoe was on the other foot, if you do I think you will start to see the evidence you believe to exist simply doesn't OR the information that would come out in discovery is "worse" than just admitting it was all a lie. Everyone complains the evidence never found its way into a court room, Rudy had every opportunity to produce it and put it on the record. Why didn't he and instead just file a stipulation with the court that admitted he lied?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12207 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 5:59 am to
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Dude, the massive fraud in Georgia is pretty well established.




Sidney Powell admitted in deposition that no sane person would believe her election fraud claims. It’s documented. Why do you people do this to yourselves? You were conned by a bunch of grifters.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12207 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:09 am to
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If Trump could have secured AZ, GA, and WI, he and Biden would have been tied at 269. The House would have decided the race and Trump wins in that system. He lost those three states by about 43,000 votes, combined.



Hillary lost Michigan Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by 75,000 votes, combined in 2016. How is this any different? They are swing states for a reason they can go either way in any election.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
16718 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:11 am to
Trumps production company knows how to bring him right up to the edge without him going over to keep the MAGA clowns on the edge of their seats and engaged.

Trump's shadow government is just about ready to drop the hammer and step back into control. You'll know operation MAGA-A is under way when the arrests start happening of the Clintons and Bidens....


Soon folks.... Stay frosty.....
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
13053 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:12 am to
Fair questions.

I the answer includes the fact that these folks are not as street smart as their opposition (which is kinda ironic since they tout themselves to be honest brawlers) and constantly find themselves playing from behind…
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98180 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:12 am to
Quality monday morning melt
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13334 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:13 am to
quote:

SloaneRanger
Dude, the massive fraud in Georgia is pretty well established.


So all these people are pleading guilty to crimes rather than producing this evidence in court?

You can't really believe that.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37576 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:27 am to
He'll be loyal because at some point Trump was his client and did pay him in the past.

But Rudy is doing himself no favors right now by talking too much and going the full Trump.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138978 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:38 am to
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1. There is zero wrong with vote tallies in the night.
Correct. Of course that is quite a red herring.

Afterall, it was the inexplicable total pause in tallying during the night which was the anomaly, not the fact a night time tally was ongoing

quote:

2. There were no “mysterious” dumps of ballots.
False. 100% complete BS! After inexplicable total pauses in tallying, Biden took immediate huge jumps in vote tallies in each instance when counts resumed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138978 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:46 am to
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So all these people are pleading guilty to crimes rather than producing this evidence in court?

You can't really believe that.
Really?

You think Mike Flynn was guilty?

You think lawyers representing their client with information being provided them which seems to back their argument are guilty of crimes?

Do you understand the cost difference for an individual bringing a civil injury suit vs one defending it? How about cost of defense in a criminal suit brought by a state or the federal government?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37576 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:53 am to
While Trump was extolling his perfect phone call, Democrats were busy working the election system . The whole election was determined before the South Carolina primary in 2020.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 12/18/23 at 6:54 am to
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Why do the people who claim to have all this evidence refuse to release it to the public?


Didn't Dinesh D'Souza produce a movie 2000 mules with video tape of ballot harvesting? Is that not evidence?

What about True the Votes efforts that exposed ballots without ballot images? Is that not evidence?

What about Ruby Freeman admitting to ballot fraud on police video cam? Is that not evidence?

What is your standard of evidence?
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