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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:48 am to TSLG
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:48 am to TSLG
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Thats why I say fick the hospital that pocketed all the government money instead of being ready for the surges that the Healthcare community guaranteed would happen.
This and the logistical failure of hospitals is a valid discussion. It's just not applicable to this thread.
Hopefully after THIS surge they do learn, though. This is clearly not going to be the last one.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Insurance rates and actual health care are not in any way comparable.
Look at you being afraid to discuss your own arguments in your own thread.
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There is a thread for a discussion on insurance rates, but it's not this one.
Yes it is. You just don’t like it because it both 1)destroys your pathetic attempt at an argument, and 2)makes you exactly like the unvaccinated heathens you lament in this thread.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:49 am to the808bass
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Except the story, as breathlessly recounted in the OP, never happened.
I admitted as much in OP. It's irrelevant because there are countless other stories of people being denied care or care being delayed due to covid overruns. I'll make this simple: do you believe that people are having non-covid care delayed due to hospital capacity issues related to covid treatments?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
What responsibolity do the hospital administrators that created a nursing shortage, by forcing nurses to get vaccinated, bear in this "crisis"?
Who are you going to blame if 20% of hospital workers walk off the job once Biden's mandates take effect? Biden? Or the nurses?
Who are you going to blame if 20% of hospital workers walk off the job once Biden's mandates take effect? Biden? Or the nurses?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:51 am to Open Your Eyes
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Look at you being afraid to discuss your own arguments in your own thread.
No. I'm not discussing straw man arguments or arguments unrelated to my thread.
This thread is about covid-related treatments affecting the treatment availability for non-covid issues, along with the personal choices increasing covid-related treatments creating the care-capacity issues.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Your responsibility for the negative externalities of your actions decreases based on how responsible you were in avoiding infection/severe reactions. Vaccinations, masking, distancing, etc. all play a part.
Who should be in charge of these judgements on personal responsibility?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Where is your criticism of the fat and obese? Until you criticize them with the same vitriol you are criticizing the unvaccinated you can go piss up a rope
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'll make this simple: do you believe that people are having non-covid care delayed due to hospital capacity issues related to covid treatments?
No. Do I believe that elective surgeries are being delayed? Yes. Do I believe non life threatening illnesses are being delayed? Yes. Do I believe that people are dying in a waiting room because of it? Of course not.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:52 am to idsrdum
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Who should be in charge of these judgements on personal responsibility?
No one.
Who has decided cargo shorts are out of fashion? No one, yet somehow we're allowed to discuss it on internet message boards
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No sir. Sorry. First off, there is no indication the transfer from Cullman would not have been necessary anyway. So, under normal circumstances he'd have traveled by ambulance from Cullman to B'ham. Instead, with UAB claiming to be full, he traveled by air to Meridian. Probably a similar transit time.
A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says
This is an extreme example that may not be fully true, but there are hundreds of other similar stories who didn't result in death. In all of these scenarios, dozens and dozens of unvaccinated people ended up creating negative externalities that negatively affected others. If this case is true, they killed this man, effectively.
If you are unvaccinated and you end up taking up hospital resources, you're ultimately denying healthcare to others.
But this ICU availability story repeats itself over and over and over again. Hosp CEOs/Administrators close down beds, lay off medical staff, rob Peter to pay Paul, and reap short-term profits which all translate to great bonuses for them.
When they get caught with an inexcusable dearth of resources to deal with a widely predicted CV19 surge, do they accept blame? Nope. They blame the public. They blame staff shortages on vax refusal. They lie through their teeth about actual culpability.
Better yet, they payoff an MD like Catherine O'Neal to cease caring for patients, and to instead cover their butts. They've had a year and a half to figure surge contingencies out. They need to do their damn jobs!
BTW, I posted this response to your same citing in another thread. In this Cullman story, you are chasing a shiny object which the MSM continues to polish.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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do you believe that people are having non-covid care delayed due to hospital capacity issues related to covid treatments?
Sure.
Do you think these decisions don’t happen every day?
Have you been in an ER?
What does the word triage mean?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:54 am to goldennugget
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Where is your criticism of the fat and obese?
Show me where hospitals (at least in 2021) are being overrun with people requiring hospitalization for obesity-related illnesses (diabetes, heart disease, etc.).
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Until you criticize them with the same vitriol you are criticizing the unvaccinated you can go piss up a rope
Any obese person or person over 50 who is not vaccinated is a raging idiot.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:55 am to the808bass
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Do you think these decisions don’t happen every day?
EVERY day? No.
Now in a mass event or in a particular season? Sure.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:But it really isn't. It is actually about incompetency in hospital management.
This thread is about covid-related treatments affecting the treatment availability for non-covid issues
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:57 am to NC_Tigah
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But it really isn't. It is actually about incompetency in hospital management.
As I've said in this thread, that's a valid discussion, but for another thread.
Also, as I said, they really need to figure out their logistics before the next surge. I'm guessing it will be around Christmas/January?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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EVERY day? No.
So when every person walks into an ER, they walk right into a room?
You’re setting up the dumbest of arguments. “Any slight delay in care is horrific.”
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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This thread is about covid-related treatments affecting the treatment availability for non-covid issues, along with the personal choices increasing covid-related treatments creating the care-capacity issues.
The real straw man
You cited easily verifiable cases, well
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's just not applicable to this thread.
I disagree.
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Hopefully after THIS surge they do learn
It isn't going to happen if they walk away from this spike unscathed, with society allowing them to place blame solely on the unvaxxed.
Just wait until they finally start releasing the financials for the 2020 and 2021 fiscal years. These hospitals are doing everything they can to hide the profits, so they don't easily show $30m profits in 2018 and 2019 and $80m profit for covid years.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is an extreme example that may not be fully true, but there are hundreds of other similar stories who didn't result in death. In all of these scenarios, dozens and dozens of unvaccinated people ended up creating negative externalities that negatively affected others. If this case is true, they killed this man, effectively.
Already wrong...humorously wrong.
You've gone crazy of the last few months, fwiw.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. I'm not discussing straw man arguments or arguments unrelated to my thread.
No. You just attempt to categorize everything that destroys your pathetic excuse for an argument as a strawman because you’re incapable of coming up with a response to any of them. It’s literally the only play you have.
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This thread is about covid-related treatments affecting the treatment availability for non-covid issues, along with the personal choices increasing covid-related treatments creating the care-capacity issues.
“If your choices lead to a negative outcome to others, then your choices are well beyond just a personal choice.”
“Your responsibility for the negative externalities of your actions decreases based on how responsible you were in avoiding infection/severe reactions.”
Who posted these quotes in this thread fatass?
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