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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:39 am to GRTiger
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:39 am to GRTiger
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Speculation. Unless you have access to information generally not shared publicly.
Just look at the available ICU beds pre-Covid. It is available and not based on speculation.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
You could still delete all your posts in this thread and hope it disappeared quickly.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
So you didn’t address the point in the op like you claimed? I thought you were the articulate, rational, educated one around here?
You’ve posted numerous times in this abortion of a thread about reaching the point where an individual’s personal decisions have adverse impacts on other people, and the responsibility that individual bears for those adverse impacts. That’s exactly what will happen when my insurance rates go up because you made the decision to be obese.
Don’t you also smoke? Can’t wait to talk about that one.
No I’ll stick to showing how pathetic your argument is in this thread instead.
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And if you're hung up on "insurance rates" as your attempted "gotcha", then it has nothing to do with OP and is irrelevant to this discussion.
You’ve posted numerous times in this abortion of a thread about reaching the point where an individual’s personal decisions have adverse impacts on other people, and the responsibility that individual bears for those adverse impacts. That’s exactly what will happen when my insurance rates go up because you made the decision to be obese.
Don’t you also smoke? Can’t wait to talk about that one.
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Please make your own thread and avoid this one until you can post on topic.
No I’ll stick to showing how pathetic your argument is in this thread instead.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:40 am to touchdownjeebus
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Does the administration not deserve any blame for the shortage of beds?
Sure, but that's for another thread and has nothing to do with my OP/thread.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just look at the available ICU beds pre-Covid. It is available and not based on speculation.
What was the availability of ICU beds at the point of this referral?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Did you miss this article?
The Atlantic- Covid Numbers aren't what they say
Or is this to cover up the high number of Covid positive Vaccinated patients showing up in the hospital?
The Atlantic- Covid Numbers aren't what they say
quote:
Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning
A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.
Or is this to cover up the high number of Covid positive Vaccinated patients showing up in the hospital?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He fell for that overly dramatic bullshite and felt the need to pontificate.
No this is just an extreme example for a thread I've been thinking about making for weeks now.
I have multiple clients who have had major issues getting treated after serious car wrecks due to the lack of ER space/beds. Locally there was a story about a child with cancer who had to wait hours to be seen when experiencing a complication. I know of some surgeries being delayed due to resource issues, etc. Those are all local, 100% true and verifiable stories.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sure, but that's for another thread and has nothing to do with my OP/thread.
Wouldn’t there be plenty of beds if the current administration took some of the measures the previous one did?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:42 am to STEVED00
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No it’s about denying service for unvaccinated
Show me where I posted that.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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No this is just an extreme example for a thread I've been thinking about making for weeks now.
You should’ve said you were day drinking. Thinking about this for weeks and then posting this is frankly embarrassing.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:43 am to the808bass
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You could still delete all your posts in this thread and hope it disappeared quickly.
I'm not ashamed of anything posted in this thread.
This is a thread I'm bookmarking for the next time any of these posters try a "personal responsibility" gotcha.
Lots of others are going to want to edit their posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
In the Houston medical center, ICU bed usage hovered around 90-95% pre covid.
Also, where was this argument when hospitalizations were higher than they are now? Where are the floating hospital units? The convention center units?
A) the bed usage is being used as a stick for vaccinations
B) human resources are much a much bigger issue. Except there are still hospitals firing or forcing staff to quit because of mandates. How does that play into your dire situation?
Also, where was this argument when hospitalizations were higher than they are now? Where are the floating hospital units? The convention center units?
A) the bed usage is being used as a stick for vaccinations
B) human resources are much a much bigger issue. Except there are still hospitals firing or forcing staff to quit because of mandates. How does that play into your dire situation?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
What responsibilities do hospitals have for prioritizing Covid over all other forms of illness?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
382,000 posts. You've hit the wall. Take a break.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Locally there was a story about a child with cancer who had to wait hours to be seen when experiencing a complication. I know of some surgeries being delayed due to resource issues, etc. Those are all local, 100% true and verifiable stories.
Show us all your posts from last spring/summer when actual cancer patients were turned away from hospitals and denied treatments/surgeries because hospitals had to prepare for covid.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:45 am to Open Your Eyes
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Don’t you also smoke?
No
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You’ve posted numerous times in this abortion of a thread about reaching the point where an individual’s personal decisions have adverse impacts on other people, and the responsibility that individual bears for those adverse impacts. That’s exactly what will happen when my insurance rates go up because you made the decision to be obese.
Insurance rates and actual health care are not in any way comparable. There is a thread for a discussion on insurance rates, but it's not this one.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is a thread I'm bookmarking for the next time any of these posters try a "personal responsibility" gotcha.
What’s that BMI looking like these days?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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but this is a long-term event
You're fricking right about that...
Thats why I say fick the hospital that pocketed all the government money instead of being ready for the surges that the Healthcare community guaranteed would happen.
For example, if you're a hospital that didn't splurge on a couple more ecmo machines over the last 18 months, frick you.
If you're a hospital that didn't focus on being ready to carry a little heavier payroll, waiting for the spike, then frick you.
There are a lot of things that can be blamed right now, and the Healthcare industry has chosen to point the fingers away from themselves.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:46 am to the808bass
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You should’ve said you were day drinking. Thinking about this for weeks and then posting this is frankly embarrassing.
Only for people who are using mental gymnastics to avoid taking personal responsibility.
This is similar to my thread on masks from last year. This is like the sister thread for the "personal responsibility" crowd.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Except the story, as breathlessly recounted in the OP, never happened.
And you even admitted that.
Super gay.
And you even admitted that.
Super gay.
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