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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:15 am to moneyg
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:15 am to moneyg
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We are going to allow hospitals to remain understaffed without liability while blaming sick people for daring to pay for and utilize healthcare services.
Just because this doesn't fit within my thread doesn't mean that I'm making this argument.
That responsibility, as I've said many times in this thread, is for another discussion.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:17 am to Damone
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They bear a ton of moral responsibility. The anti-vaxers always deflect from the issue by pointing out other personal health issues (hilariously implying that they are making a bad health choice). But the one huge difference is that there is a free, easy, readily available shot that essentially eliminates any need for emergency medical treatment if one contracts Covid.
Yeah. It's crazy.
Like I said earlier, this is a sister thread for my thread last year on masks. Masks are clearly not a perfect solution to stop the spread of covid, but their cost is effectively 0. ANY help to stop the spread is worth a cost of 0, so even if the help from masks is 1% of the reported help, it's worth it.
Queue 10 pages of people losing their minds.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:17 am to Damone
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They bear a ton of moral responsibility. The anti-vaxers always deflect from the issue by pointing out other personal health issues (hilariously implying that they are making a bad health choice). But the one huge difference is that there is a free, easy, readily available shot that essentially eliminates any need for emergency medical treatment if one contracts Covid.
And, if the Healthcare industry hadn't constantly bullshitted and been illogical af a lot of the time, people might feel more comfortable trusting them now.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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these posters try a "personal responsibility" gotcha.
The clown show keeps getting sillier.
1/6 absolutely broke slow and sent him back toward the nanny state progressive he is at heart.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are plenty of others, just not ones that led to such a dramatic ending.
Any denial or delay in service is a problem.
Someone has to have hacked your account.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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but their cost is effectively 0
Jesus Christ, can this thread get any dumber?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Masks are clearly not a perfect solution to stop the spread of covid, but their cost is effectively 0.
Maybe for you. frick a pointless mask. Holy shite, what has happened to you?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:20 am to GRTiger
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Covid, in the context of hospitalization needs, is very much related to obesity, heart disease, diabetes, old age, etc.
Again, you have to keep arguments hyper-focused on here. I've tried for 6 pages to do that and people still keep using strawman arguments.
The reference to obesity is to avoid the common "gotcha" argument about non-covid related issues of obesity and the treatments they cause. Those treatments have no place in this particular discussion, and, even then, it's been repeated multiple times in here by multiple posters.
In summary, you have to keep arguments strict to avoid these guys:
They will flood threads with their Facebook-spread memes with the quickness if you don't regulate the topic strictly.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:21 am to Turbeauxdog
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1/6 absolutely broke slow
What in the hell?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No.
As I've said in this thread, that's a valid discussion, but for another thread.
Again, sorry.
But I don't do shiny objects. Focus.
Blaming a long predicted admissions surge on patients is like blaming rush hour traffic for being repeatedly late at work. It ain't the traffic! It's the fact you're leaving a half-hour late.
When you say "they really need to figure out their logistics before the next surge," my response is "Welcome to April 2020." They've had a year-and-a-half, and several wet runs.
It reminds me of pictures of flooded school buses after Katrina, and thinking WTF was leadership in NO doing. The response to those in charge of hospitals at this stage should be identical. WTF are you doing?!
Don't give us this crap about no beds! WTF have you done differently to prepare for this surge (which you knew 3 months ago was likely)?
The answer?
Not a damn thing!
That is not on admissions numbers d/t ANY cause.
It is on administrative incompetency.
We are well past peak surge cases in Alabama BTW. So beds will come available shortly.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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They are posted within the confines of the specific arguments.
“Yes, I made those statements but I didn’t actually think through the implications of what they meant for my argument. Therefore, I am unable to respond if they are used in any capacity outside of short-sighted reason I intended them for.”
And you’re supposed to be a lawyer?
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Nothing prevents you from making your own thread about the topics that seem to interest you that you keep promoting in this thread.
The topics that interest me are the quotes in my last post. Youve already created a thread about those topics. Why should I create another one? And more importantly, why are you so adamant about me leaving this thread?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:22 am to LNCHBOX
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Maybe for you. frick a pointless mask. Holy shite, what has happened to you?
I've always believed in personal responsibility. That's why I lean libertarian and hate progressivism.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
ThE guy that just said masks have no cost is calling others NPC
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
"we must protect the vaccinated"
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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my thread last year on masks. Masks are clearly not a perfect solution to stop the spread of covid, but their cost is effectively 0. ANY help to stop the spread is worth a cost of 0, so even if the help from masks is 1% of the reported help, it's worth it.
Was that thread before or after the Healthcare industry lied to the public in order to secure ppe for themselves first?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is an extreme example that may not be fully true
That's a modern media lead - in if ever there was one.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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I've always believed in personal responsibility. That's why I lean libertarian and hate progressivism.
Where is the passional responsibility in mandating something that does nothing?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:23 am to Damone
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But the one huge difference is that there is a free, easy, readily available shot that essentially eliminates any need for emergency medical treatment if one contracts Covid
Free and easy shot GFY
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:23 am to Open Your Eyes
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“Yes, I made those statements but I didn’t actually think through the implications of what they meant for my argument. Therefore, I am unable to respond if they are used in any capacity outside of short-sighted reason I intended them for.”
Within the context of the topic of the thread.
quote:
And you’re supposed to be a lawyer?
Yes. If I'm writing a brief on one topic, a response using selected quotes from that brief to further an argument not before the court has no rhetorical or legal merit.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:24 am to LNCHBOX
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Where is the passional responsibility in mandating something that does nothing?
Show me where I "mandated" anything.
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