re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?

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But I'm not. This is exactly why I restricted the OP to a specific argument/situation.

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You actually did.

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Any denial or delay in service is a problem.

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There is absolutely no moral aversion in society at large. Long wait times, unavailable beds, and staff shortages have been issues for years and years. Often times (as is the case in the era of Covid) it's localized and temporary.

The hypocrisy of this position at this moment is palpable. People accepted a long time ago that the hospitals are always full of people who don't have insurance (immoral?), don't have an illness worthy of hospitalization (immoral?), and are there due to their own health decisions (immoral
?) It's a much broader issue, but SFP has declared victory by simply saying those very pertinent issues are totally irrelevant and bringing them up makes you a sheep or whatever the dude is arguing. It's a hilariously bad take in context.

Based on SFPs logic, if a vaxed person drives drunk and hits an unvaxxed person who tests positive for covid upon admission, that unvaxxed person counts towards the covid hospitalization rate, and since we must ignore context, we must conclude that person is immoral and bears responsibility in the situation where a vaxxed person can't get a bed at that hospital, even if that vaxxed person is a 400 lb diabetic and needs covid care.

Worst SFP thread ever, but at least it's keeping his post count up.

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There is absolutely no moral aversion in society at large. Long wait times, unavailable beds, and staff shortages have been issues for years and years. Often times (as is the case in the era of Covid) it's localized and temporary.

The hypocrisy of this position at this moment is palpable. People accepted a long time ago that the hospitals are always full of people who don't have insurance (immoral?), don't have an illness worthy of hospitalization (immoral?), and are there due to their own health decisions (immoral
?) It's a much broader issue, but SFP has declared victory by simply saying those very pertinent issues are totally irrelevant and bringing them up makes you a sheep or whatever the dude is arguing. It's a hilariously bad take in context.

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This.

"Based on SFPs logic, if a vaxed person drives drunk and hits an unvaxxed person who tests positive for covid upon admission . . even if that vaxxed person is a 400 lb diabetic and needs covid care."

I think you're too focused on the OP and whether he is "winning." I think the hypothetical he raised is, or at least could be, an excellent conversation starter about when there is a personal responsibility to avoid a situation that negatively impacts others. You raise fair points that the facts could be different, i.e., that this isn't happening or isn't happening. Indeed, one of my own responses that the OP's hypo, while compelling, was insufficient for me without much more to support mandatory vaccination. However, you raise the issue of drunk driving, an area in which I would think even the most libertarian would concede merits regulations and punishment by the state. To take another example, what if there was a virus as transmissible as COVID but with a much higher rate of lethality? Might something like that support a vax mandate?

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No I'm saying that if you're unvaccinated and you take up a bed that leads to a person without covid being denied service, you bear personal responsibility for that.

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Quoting for posterity and easier reference next time you want to lie like the progressive bitch you are and claim you never said this.