re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?

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This is an extreme example that may not be fully true, but there are hundreds of other similar stories who didn't result in death.

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Nothing like beginning an argument from the extremes.

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In all of these scenarios, dozens and dozens of unvaccinated people ended up creating negative externalities that negatively affected others. If this case is true, they killed this man, effectively.

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So, where do you draw the line? The vast majority of hospitalizations are in the 50+ age group, regardless of vaccination status ( CDC).

By your argument, could we not just go ahead and say old people are creating negative externalities and killing people? I think I’ve heard arguments similar to that before…

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If you are unvaccinated and you end up taking up hospital resources, you're ultimately denying healthcare to others. This is a zero-sum game at this point and there is no way around that fact.

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Were our government overlords not hell-bent on suppressing prophylactic treatments, I don’t think this would be the case, at all.

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Also, this is nothing like the "obesity" counter re: heart disease. Yeah obesity causes all sorts of personal issues that negatively affect that individual's health. But, at this time at least, there isn't a dramatic increase of heart/diabetes cases that are causing hospitals to deny healthcare to others. As soon as that happens, this argument will have some logic, but it's not here, presently.

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I’m sorry, but this just isn’t true. Obese patients were denying healthcare to others long before they became a major contributor to COVID hospitalizations. They take up extra space, require additional staff, and are exponentially more expensive. From a source you should like Politico

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How scared of Covid are you?

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I doubt he is.

The white chick brigade has convinced him that anti vaxxers are scum.

Jesus, where does he live that there are 43 ICUs in the area?

I'm calling bs on this

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I would bet you have zero information on the people currently in the 43 hospitals this man allegedly visited in the midst of a cardiac episode.

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He read it somewhere, its true~!

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Not where people are denied beds.

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No one was denied a bed in your dumbass OP. The fact that someone is trolling rural Alabama for a person denied a bed 18 months into the pandemic should tell you something. It won’t.

What a weird thread from you.

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When there is an epidemic of obese people or gunshot victims taking up a disproportionate amount of hospital beds in a recognizable pattern, your argument will make sense.

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The medical system had 18 months to recognize this pattern. With the time they had to prepare, the only blame lies in the mirror.

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Not where people are denied beds.
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No one was denied a bed in your dumbass OP.

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Yep, if beds were being denied, there would be alternative area set up like they did a year ago.

He fell for that overly dramatic bullshite and felt the need to pontificate.

This is a myth he created in his mind to pretend to be superior, and all he's doing is showing how easily he is manipulated by shitty press and overly dramatic white women.

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By your argument, could we not just go ahead and say old people are creating negative externalities and killing people?

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Over-use of healthcare on the elderly is a common theme on this board. Or at least was, prior to Trumpism.

It's an uncomfortable discussion, but a real one.

But the elderly didn't make a choice to be old during a pandemic. That's where this discussion has to be removed form one about personal responsibility. Now if there was a magic machine that could make people age, and you used that machine during this pandemic, then yeah, you bear a lot of personal responsibility if you get covid and due to your chosen-age, this leads to denying others' care.

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Were our government overlords not hell-bent on suppressing prophylactic treatments, I don’t think this would be the case, at all.

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I don't care if people want to get prescribed the facebook drug of the month. I thin it's wrong for the government to deny the ability of doctors to write these scripts and for pharmacies to deny filling these scripts.

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Obese patients were denying healthcare to others long before they became a major contributor to COVID hospitalizations. They take up extra space, require additional staff, and are exponentially more expensive

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They aren't so numerous that they're overrunning ICUs and hospitals. That's the difference.

As I've argued before, this may become our reality in a few decades, though.

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This thread is not about mandating the vaccine.

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No it’s about denying service for unvaccinated bc of sone anecdotal occurrence that may or may not be true. I am merely saying that you are barking up the wrong tree. Pre-Covid, Medicaid folks were clogging up the ERs bc they were using it as their primary care doctor. Do you think that has all of a sudden changed?

My job is access to hospitals and throughput within those hospitals. This is 100% unmitigated bullshite.... You can't turn an emergent cardiac case away. This is fear porn. I deal with full hospitals every day, and have for years. Full hospitals and ER's are not new, and not due to Covid.. This unfortunate gentleman was NOT turned away from 43 hospitals while sitting in a car dying of a heart attack. Come the frick on.... Use your head.
If I was bleeding to death from a gunshot do you honestly think they would tend to a panicked person with a glorified cold before me? Really?
And yes, 99% of them have mild to moderate cold... Very few get horribly ill. Many, many vaxxed in hospitals now. Just not being reported because they don't want it to be the truth.