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re: The destructive influence of Norman Lear shows on society in the 1970’s
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:16 pm to Jake88
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:16 pm to Jake88
quote:True
you'd have to be an idiot to not believe that television shows were and are littered with social and political messages
But what is happening today is not a conspiracy. People aren't gathered in secret meetings hatching schemes.
It's worse than that.
Today everyone in a position of power approves of the party line. There's no opposition. Being openly anti-woke can cost you your career -- ironically, the same as being a communist in 1950 would get you blacklisted.
Only today it's called getting "cancelled" and, in a priceless irony, is being done by communists who once cried bitter tears over how unjust blacklisting is.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:17 pm to Jake88
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It was the best script writing in sitcom history. And it ain't close How do you know if you stopped watching sitcoms once a baby was adopted on Green Acres?
Because I saw the trend early. One of my best friends in college was a guy named Rick Hawkins. He was a very good actor and said 'Bye, Zach, I'm going to Hollywood.'
Me: 'Good luck. Hope you land a part.'
Him: 'I'm not going to act. I'm gonna write. Everyone in Hollywood can act. Very few can write.'
He went on to become writer/producer of Carol Burnett, Momma's Family, Punky Brewster. He made good money. But I watched bits of them because I knew him but they were not funny at all. He was not a good writer in college but he was easily good enough for network TV sitcoms. That's all I needed to know.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:22 pm to Joeybd
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pop your head open.
Would be a shame if that happened to you.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:25 pm to Zach
quote:This is a laughably pitiful response.
He went on to become writer/producer of Carol Burnett, Momma's Family, Punky Brewster. He made good money. But I watched bits of them because I knew him but they were not funny at all. He was not a good writer in college but he was easily good enough for network TV sitcoms. That's all I needed to know
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:42 pm to Jake88
From a 1970s news item about James Komack (producer of Chico & The Man and Welcome Back Kotter)


Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:57 pm to Mike da Tigah
On All in the Family, Meathead was represented as an idealistic fool as often as some kind of liberal sage. He and Archie were stereotypes.
And almost universally, the audience loved Archie and despised Meathead.
And almost universally, the audience loved Archie and despised Meathead.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 3:02 pm to Mike da Tigah
Extremely well-done Mike da Tigah. Excellent post and 100% accurate.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 3:06 pm to CAD703X
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i enjoyed most of those shows and i didnt turn into a raging progressive.
hollywood has always been pro-socialism and liberal.
Same. We never watched Maude when I was a kid, because she was pretty much a raging bitch. We watched All in the Family, Sanford and Son, and I'm sure many more of his programs. Yet I grew up having arguments and debates with my teachers when they spouted liberal bullshite. And no, marxist democrats didn't like to be hit with facts in 1982 any better than they do now. If what they were doing was indoctrination, it didn't work on me.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 3:08 pm to troyt37
quote:I watched that show for two reasons
We never watched Maude when I was a kid
Posted on 2/10/23 at 3:11 pm to Kafka
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But what is happening today is not a conspiracy. People aren't gathered in secret meetings hatching schemes.
Agreed, but the intent to divide and pit everyone against each other in a great big political or social grasp for power over one another is the game. It’s Marxism, plain and simple.
In anything as simple as getting married and women refusing to take the husband’s last name because it’s some practice rooted in patriarchal dominance, nevermind that they themselves carry a last name rooted in their father’s patriarchal dominance. It’s rooted in one big grasp for power. Similar things like race, and economics, or gender, and belief are also areas which the left pits one group of Americans against the other for power.
People always say how divided we are today, and they are correct, we most definitely are more divided than ever before, but this in my estimation is the genesis of all of it, and fueled by Marxist ideology that shows itself in these very programs being discussed here. It is most difficult to have open dialogue or civil disagreement with anyone that lies on the far fringes of this war that marxists have created for us. This is again, not some happenstance, but pure agenda driven. It is intentional as it is that which drives America to the ultimate road to Marxism, and all through destabilization of American culture.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 5:16 pm to troyt37
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Same. We never watched Maude when I was a kid, because she was pretty much a raging bitch. We watched All in the Family, Sanford and Son, and I'm sure many more of his programs. Yet I grew up having arguments and debates with my teachers when they spouted liberal bullshite. And no, marxist democrats didn't like to be hit with facts in 1982 any better than they do now. If what they were doing was indoctrination, it didn't work on me
i freaking loved the jeffersons. even as a kid there were plenty of LOL moments where my dad would get so tickled that it would make me laugh.
george flopping down on the couch after an epic meltdown where his family all left and slammed the door and looks over at a giant stuffed bear next to him and KNOCKS IT ACROSS THE ROOM and says "WHAT THE HELL YOU STARIN AT"
that one gets me.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 5:32 pm to TigahTeeth
Sanford & Son and IIRC The Jefferson's dropped the N word early on.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 5:36 pm to DaleGribble
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Designing Women
I'll one up you: Murphy Brown
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:58 pm to CAD703X
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i freaking loved the jeffersons.
Stephen A Smith is doing sports now..

This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:13 pm to Godfather1
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Sanford and Son is Top 3 all time for me
This show and the Jeffersons and What’s Happening playing on a loop to Gen Xers out of school probably did as much to end real racism for my generation as anything could have during that period.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:28 pm to DaleGribble
quote:Agreed. I thought the OP’s overall argument was well stated yet Sanford and Son does not really fit in with those others. It satirized what we would now call “woke” diversity as much or more than any other topic. Sanford & Son was an equal opportunity offender.
Sanford and Son
VIDEO LINK: Lamont Goes African…
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:30 pm to Mike da Tigah
Damm. I bet he was a filthy rich because all of those shows were very good shows.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:56 pm to Kafka
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absurdity.
Pat Buttram’s Mr. Haney was a master of cornpone surrealism. GA was closer to Monty Python than anything else on t.v. during that era.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:21 pm to Mike da Tigah
"One of the chief goals of Marxism is to destroy the family"
.... what a stupid assertion. I hate Communism, but show me anywhere in the Communist Manifesto where this is stated. Show me anything Marx or Engels wrote that says this.
Another idiot that does not what to call something, so he reverts to Communism. To defeat something, you have to identify correctly identify it first.
.... what a stupid assertion. I hate Communism, but show me anywhere in the Communist Manifesto where this is stated. Show me anything Marx or Engels wrote that says this.
Another idiot that does not what to call something, so he reverts to Communism. To defeat something, you have to identify correctly identify it first.
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