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re: The destructive influence of Norman Lear shows on society in the 1970’s

Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:38 am to
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:38 am to
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Designing Women was a platform for every leftist pet cause,



add Murphy Brown to those as well. i remember watching them with my parents.

Evening Shade and Dave's world were pretty apolitical and enjoyable, but i remember being introduced to a much more liberal point of view watching DW and MB with my parents.

that being said, my parents were and are avid republicans. my mom was the president of the county republican party at the time.

i'm more conservative than either of them now. so it's not like the conditioning worked.
Posted by nes2010
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:39 am to
He also founded People for the American Way.
Posted by DaleGribble
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:40 am to
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So basically all white men are dumbasses


Unless they were Jewish...like Meathead.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:41 am to
You forgot Good Times (a Maude spinoff), which was probably about the most conservative, "in tune" with traditional American values as it could get in the 70s ... until they killed off James (John Amos' character, because Amos protested at the minstrel show that was bubbling out of the Jimmy "J.J." Walker character's popularity).

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:42 am to
Sanford and Son was awesome.

Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:45 am to
You sound real fun at parties.
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:47 am to
This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 11:48 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:49 am to
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i'm more conservative than either of them now. so it's not like the conditioning worked.


The messaging has always been there, the difference is we also had a conservative background and could critique the social commentary.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:51 am to
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You sound real fun at parties.


Oh, I've got a reputation. When friends tell me a funny story that isn't funny, I don't laugh. Others notice.
Them: 'Zach, how come you never laugh at Bob's jokes?'
Me: 'Do you find them funny?'
Then: 'No, not at all. It's just polite.'
Me: 'And encourages him to tell more stupid jokes.'
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:52 am to
Sanford and Son was the shite. Fred was the best.....you big dummy!!!

Unlike All in the Family, Dummy (Lamont) was always seen as a pretty level headed character as opposed to Edith on All in the Family. Yeah, there was some messaging, but it was Redd Foxx and his comic antics that drove the show. Bunker although funny at times, was always designed to be the butt of derision by the other characters.

Demond Wilson is actually a preacher to day and very much bends to the conservative thought
Posted by TerryDawg03
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:55 am to
You left out a biggie:

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:00 pm to
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Sanford and Son was the shite. Fred was the best.....you big dummy!!!


I still watch some on youtube. Everyone got insulted on that show.

Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:00 pm to
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Greenacres


One if the greatest Sit-Coms ever.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:07 pm to
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The messaging has always been there, the difference is we also had a conservative background and could critique the social commentary.



And that’s the truth of it. It doesn’t usually work on those raised with values and in a home that counters the drivel, but most surely works on soft brains and people who come from broken or dysfunctional homes.
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:21 pm to
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i enjoyed most of those shows and i didnt turn into a raging progressive.



You and your stronger ilk weren't the target of Lear's divide & conquer / social engineering; The targets were the bleating minions of easily influenced, the mentally weak, easily aggrieved and "victims" of synthetic "racism" and of the other "isms" were.
Posted by weptiger
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:29 pm to
Nobody liked Meathead or the actor that played him. Time hasn’t changed that view.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:30 pm to
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Nobody liked Meathead or the actor that played him. Time hasn’t changed that view.




That's pretty much how I remember it when I was a kid.

Meathead was a moron.
Posted by Bankshot
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:38 pm to
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Nobody liked Meathead or the actor that played him. 


And, in the follow-up show Archie Bunker's Place they have the character completely flake out and abandon his wife and young son. In the end, the Meathead character was shown to be a complete deadbeat.
Posted by Aeolian Vocalion
Texas
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:50 pm to
Spot-on post about Lear's shows and their corrosive effect on the culture. As the 1970s wore on, there were additional dollops of propaganda all throughout television, like in the made-for-TV movies, and further series like "Family," "Lou Grant," and such. The whole decade in prime-time was awash in a haranguing, left-leaning preachiness. Some subtle, some not so subtle. Still some okay, non-politically charged shows around as well, but the percentage dropped hugely, compared to the previous decade.

It was a sea-change, in the 1970s. Before that, programming wasn't nearly so prone to soapbox messaging. You had a few isolated exceptions, like the smug and uber-obnoxious liberalism of "The Defenders" or "East Side, West Side" in the early-1960s. But it was amazingly scarce. Normal people generally did not desire heavy social-issues (much less highly slanted examples) in their entertainment. That was grist for newspapers and news programming.

Going back further, the old movie studio heads back in the classic Hollywood era didn't like 'message' type slants in their product, either. A lot of them had seen how film was used as vile propaganda by the Soviets and the Nazis, and were extremely wary of the power of their own medium, and quite disinclined towards any kind of slanted or propagandistic social messaging. A little bit percolated out in the Depression years, but altogether not that much. After the war, younger guys like Dore Schary 'did' want to go in that direction, and you started having a few heavy-handed films like "Gentleman's Agreement," "The Boy With Green Hair," "The Men," and such. Just kept getting worse and worse from there.
Posted by Zach
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117588 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:55 pm to
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Greenacres One if the greatest Sit-Coms ever.


Mr. Haney pulling up with his truck and new pull down sign was solid gold.
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