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Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:04 pm to Jake88
It’s the place to be…
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:19 pm to Mike da Tigah
You along with many who agree with this drivel analysis have your tinfoil hats wound too tight. Keep tightening them up, it will eventually pop your head open.
The cynicism, paranoia must keep you awake all the time so much so that you are hallucinating what people's motivations are.
The cynicism, paranoia must keep you awake all the time so much so that you are hallucinating what people's motivations are.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:20 pm to CAD703X
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i enjoyed most of those shows and i didnt turn into a raging progressive.
This.
Sanford and Son is Top 3 all time for me.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:26 pm to Mike da Tigah
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A conservative minded Archie who was always saying very racist, insensitive, and outright ignorant stuff to or course cast a very negative light on conservatives, while Michael (meathead) the resident liberal who was married to Archie’s daughter and living in his house always seemed to have a liberal take that was shown to be correct and in touch, and very much non racist.
As I recall, this didn’t have the outcome Lear intended, nor thought it would have. Most people loved Archie and despised Meathead, seeing him for the ungrateful freeloader he was.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The messaging has always been there, the difference is we also had a conservative background and could critique the social commentary.
agreed. i enjoyed MB a good bit, but at that age i can remember when she was offering commentary that i could think "well that's not a true statement all of the time," or something of the sort. i'm not saying i was raised in truth and every political thing that my parents passed down is the right take but i was taught to think critically at least.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:30 pm to Mike da Tigah
Spot on
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:32 pm to Mike da Tigah
Man...How did Good Times not make this thread?
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Maude
The main reason pre-adolescent/adolescent me tuned into this one was to see Adrienne Barbeau’s magnificent rack.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:48 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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I think these shows were more a reflection of a changing society than a cause of it.
No way. Certainly a conspiracy of communists planting the seed to destroy the country in 50 years. Lol.
Absolutely no way it was a reflection of a society.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:51 pm to Zach
quote:Maybe your most profound, insightfully perceptive post ever
I stopped watching network TV sitcoms in 1970 when Greenacres adopted a child.
And you're right: that brat stunk
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:52 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:I don't understand your problem with this.
A black family that finally overcame white oppression and made it to the east side. George (father) is an extremely racist person (basically the black version of Archie Bunker) but usually has some truth mixed in with his racism. Then there’s the mixed race couple, the Willis’, and the super liberal white man in the couple who butchers everything and is a completely out of touch buffoon. Racism is a constant theme in this show.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:53 pm to Mike da Tigah
The story of AITF, at least, is more complex than you tell.
It wasn't simply a show about a crusading liberal (such as the earlier Defenders -- the Law & Order of its day -- or East Side, West Side, which starred George C. Scott as a bleeding heart social worker). AITF had a "villain"/pinata in Archie Bunker.
This put Lear in a difficult position. To make Archie the leading character, he had to be softened a bit, humanized -- and doing this meant giving him a forum for his views.
And so Archie would not come off as just a punching bag for Meathead, he was often given classic lines during their battles:
Yes, in the end Archie would always be proven wrong, and made the butt of the joke. But until that point he would be the mouthpiece for "The Silent Majority", so unrepresented in the media (even more so today, when Archie is a cult hero)
This was the "dirty secret" of AITF, as Fred Silverman (then a CBS exec) later acknowledged: "The fact no one wanted to admit is that while Norman Lear, Hollywood and half the country hated Archie Bunker, the other half loved him. They laughed with him, not at him."
It wasn't simply a show about a crusading liberal (such as the earlier Defenders -- the Law & Order of its day -- or East Side, West Side, which starred George C. Scott as a bleeding heart social worker). AITF had a "villain"/pinata in Archie Bunker.
This put Lear in a difficult position. To make Archie the leading character, he had to be softened a bit, humanized -- and doing this meant giving him a forum for his views.
And so Archie would not come off as just a punching bag for Meathead, he was often given classic lines during their battles:
Yes, in the end Archie would always be proven wrong, and made the butt of the joke. But until that point he would be the mouthpiece for "The Silent Majority", so unrepresented in the media (even more so today, when Archie is a cult hero)
This was the "dirty secret" of AITF, as Fred Silverman (then a CBS exec) later acknowledged: "The fact no one wanted to admit is that while Norman Lear, Hollywood and half the country hated Archie Bunker, the other half loved him. They laughed with him, not at him."
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:54 pm to Jake88
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But you watched Green Acres.
It was the best script writing in sitcom history. And it ain't close. Beverly Hillbillies was very popular but relied on clash of culture which is common in writing.
What GA did was take the concept that if you are a sane person and you live with a group of variously insane people, that makes you the nut.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 1:56 pm to 3nOut
quote:I remember when this was on and it was hailed as a great progressive improvement on the Mary Tyler Moore Show.
Murphy Brown
Now MB is virtually forgotten, while tMTMS is still considered one of the all time greatest sitcoms.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:00 pm to Zach
quote:How do you know if you stopped watching sitcoms once a baby was adopted on Green Acres?
It was the best script writing in sitcom history. And it ain't close
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:00 pm to Joeybd
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You along with many who agree with this drivel analysis have your tinfoil hats wound too tight. Keep tightening them up, it will eventually pop your head open. The cynicism, paranoia must keep you awake all the time so much so that you are hallucinating what people's motivations are.
Stifle yourself.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:02 pm to Zach
quote:I would not go that far, but it's probably the most underappreciated sitcom everquote:It was the best script writing in sitcom history
Green Acres
What made GA great was how it would start w/a crazy premise -- a 10 year old kid starting his own TV station, Arnold the Pig going to Hollywood to replace Mr Ed, etc... -- and build on it through more and more absurdity.
And of course, the 4th-wall breaking, such as noticing the credits.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:07 pm to TGFN57
Maybe top 10
Friggin FDR had communist in his administration. The government actually went right in the seventies ending with the election of Reagan.
Society has gone down hill in a lot of ways but Norman Lear was not involved in some conspiracy to degrade American culture---the culture degraded from the people. If you want to blame anyone in politics for the culture degradation blame LBJ for destroying the family units of the poor.
George Jefferson, BTW, was a successul entrepreneur.
Friggin FDR had communist in his administration. The government actually went right in the seventies ending with the election of Reagan.
Society has gone down hill in a lot of ways but Norman Lear was not involved in some conspiracy to degrade American culture---the culture degraded from the people. If you want to blame anyone in politics for the culture degradation blame LBJ for destroying the family units of the poor.
George Jefferson, BTW, was a successul entrepreneur.
This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:11 pm to Joeybd
quote:As one who generally laughs at all of the conspiratorial nonsense on this board, I have to say you'd have to be an idiot to not believe that television shows were and are littered with social and political messages.
You along with many who agree with this drivel analysis have your tinfoil hats wound too tight.
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