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re: So when does life start to you guy and girls?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:31 pm to gothamdawg
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:31 pm to gothamdawg
It’s called a condom.
There are laws that require men to pay child support! Have you never heard about those?
There are laws that require men to pay child support! Have you never heard about those?
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:44 pm to BamaMamaof2
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It’s called a condom.
There are laws that require men to pay child support! Have you never heard about those?
Yup, all men use condoms and have the wherewithal to pay for child care.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:47 pm to Bass Tiger
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Technically life begins at conception. Once the sperm penetrates the cell wall of the egg and cell division begins the unique DNA of new life has been established.
This is the correct answer. This is when GOD actually creates a human.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:54 pm to boweswi05
It is the ultimate act of selfishness that a human being can do. “Sorry kid, but I’m denying you existence because it might be inconvenient for me.”
And as a father, you have no say in the matter “because Womenz”. Want to have your kid and raise it and completely absolve your baby mama from responsibility? Sorry hoss, no such luck. It’s her body, her choice. But you don’t want said kid, she does, and she’ll have it and then handcuff you financially for the next 18 years and can have you thrown in jail on a whim “because womenz”.
And as a father, you have no say in the matter “because Womenz”. Want to have your kid and raise it and completely absolve your baby mama from responsibility? Sorry hoss, no such luck. It’s her body, her choice. But you don’t want said kid, she does, and she’ll have it and then handcuff you financially for the next 18 years and can have you thrown in jail on a whim “because womenz”.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:54 pm to boweswi05
My opinion is one of legal logical consistency. In many instances, fetuses can inherit. In many instances, killing a pregnant mother results in two counts of murder or manslaughter rather than just one. Stabbing a pregnant mother where the mother survives, but the fetus dies, can also resort in murder charges for the stabber.
If a fetus can inherit, it’s a person. If it’s murder when someone else kills it, it’s murder when a doctor at the behest of the mother kills it with medical shears. You can’t murder a non-person, and if it’s not a person, it isn’t murder.
Thus, if the same pregnancy were to be killed by a drunk driver instigating a car wreck, domestic violence, or a shooter, and said termination would result in murder, vehicular homicide, or manslaughter charges as a result of the termination of that fetus, then the fetus is a living person with rights.
If a fetus can inherit, it’s a person. If it’s murder when someone else kills it, it’s murder when a doctor at the behest of the mother kills it with medical shears. You can’t murder a non-person, and if it’s not a person, it isn’t murder.
Thus, if the same pregnancy were to be killed by a drunk driver instigating a car wreck, domestic violence, or a shooter, and said termination would result in murder, vehicular homicide, or manslaughter charges as a result of the termination of that fetus, then the fetus is a living person with rights.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:56 pm to boweswi05
When the head first slides by those tight wet lips is when it begins for me personally. Roll Tide! That’s my best life.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 2:31 pm to boweswi05
Let us ask the other 57 varieties.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 3:13 pm to boweswi05
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So when does life start to you guy and girls?
When a zygote implants itself into a uterus.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 3:17 pm to msudawg1200
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This is the correct answer. This is when GOD actually creates a human.
Is a human being who's undergone tetragametic chimerism actually two people in the same body?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 3:24 pm to boweswi05
Both sperm and ova are alive in the most basic scientific/biological sense of the word. They both meet basic criteria of a living organism. Human life in the biological sense begins with the formation of a zygote.
The question is really “when is human life worth protecting”.
The question is really “when is human life worth protecting”.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 3:30 pm to Azkiger
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Is a human being who's undergone tetragametic chimerism actually two people in the same body?
Tetragametic chimerism involves the fusion of two zygotes. Each zygote is an independent organism prior to the fusion, but the fully developed human that arises from this fusion is a single organism. They have one brain, one personality, etc.
“Personhood” and “human life” are not the same thing. One is a subjective social construct without a clear definition, the other is a scientific description with clear parameters. When a human life becomes a person is really the entire debate here.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 3:43 pm to Bass Tiger
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Technically life begins at conception. Once the sperm penetrates the cell wall of the egg and cell division begins the unique DNA of new life has been established.
this
Posted on 6/25/22 at 3:56 pm to boweswi05
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So when does life start to you guy and girls?
The only place it could start...conception. As soon as the first cells multiply, that's a new life.
And if we're talking about cell division in humans, that makes it a human life by definition.
What people are REALLY trying to do is define "personhood," and they are trying to deny it to unborn humans because it's convenient to deny them that in order to kill them before they become a burden.
I arrive at this without an ounce of religiosity, btw.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 3:58 pm to Flats
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I challenge anybody on this forum to find an example of a carbon-based cell that can not only replicate but has the blueprint to create different cells for different functions as it grows into a complex organism that is NOT considered life in the field of biology. Outside of the abortion argument you can't. That doesn't mean it's not life, it just means for political reasons they won't always admit it.
Still waiting. For a "basic and obvious truth" this one should be easy.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 4:03 pm to boweswi05
As if that’s what their concern is. It’s the accountability they hate. Which is why they want free healthcare, free college, free housing, free phones, hate cops… they want but do not want to work for what they want, and they hate any and all accountability for their actions.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 4:09 pm to boweswi05
The debate isn’t about when life “starts” so much as it is about when a fetus becomes a person with rights. The strongest argument is when they can be separated from the mother and survive.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 4:21 pm to boweswi05
Conception
Posted on 6/25/22 at 4:57 pm to the808bass
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There’s no perfect answer. It’s not clear what asking the question with no context would achieve by being answered.
The futility of answering a question with no context is what Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson was explaining to Senator Blackburn in response to her question about the definition of a woman.
Like you said, without context: There’s no perfect answer.
It's positively astonishing how much you and Judge Jackson think alike.
Amazing. Don't you think?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 5:10 pm to boweswi05
If something is in the process of growing then it’s alive. Dead things don’t grow.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 5:15 pm to D500MAG
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would you consider a single celled organism life?
a cactus?
tomato plant?
mushroom?
any of those have a heartbeat?
Funny you didn't quote that I said I believe life begins at conception/implantation.
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