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re: So when does life start to you guy and girls?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:18 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:18 am to Bass Tiger
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The question should have been worded, “When does human life begin?”
That’s an interesting philosophical question. But it would only partly inform a legislative discussion.
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:18 am to the808bass
The whole reason it is a debate is because people on both sides know killing your kid is immoral and evil. So their side makes up some arbitrary timeframe that the kid isn't actually alive so they can pretend to have a clear conscience about it.
That is why they call it the right to choose or reproductive health or a personal decision instead of calling it what it is, prematurely ending the life of a child. If you say you support killing babies to avoid the difficulty of raising a child, it sounds pretty bad but saying you support a woman's right to choose, well that sounds like you are supporting something good and standing up for women's rights.
It is just wordplay and propaganda to hide what is clearly an evil thing. It is no different than the way people justified slavery. Evil is evil.
That is why they call it the right to choose or reproductive health or a personal decision instead of calling it what it is, prematurely ending the life of a child. If you say you support killing babies to avoid the difficulty of raising a child, it sounds pretty bad but saying you support a woman's right to choose, well that sounds like you are supporting something good and standing up for women's rights.
It is just wordplay and propaganda to hide what is clearly an evil thing. It is no different than the way people justified slavery. Evil is evil.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:19 am to boweswi05
The zygote. It has its own unique human DNA.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:19 am to boweswi05
quote:The more salient question is at what point should human rights be conveyed?
So when does life start to you guy and girls?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:21 am to the808bass
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There’s no perfect answer.
Wrong. Conception is the perfect answer. Every other attempt to delineate it is entirely arbitrary.
At conception, an entirely new organism with its own functioning cells and unique DNA starts growing. Much more simple organisms are considered “life” by scientists with no protests.
The only reason the answer has been muddied is because people want an excuse to avoid the natural consequences of sex.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:24 am to ibldprplgld
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For me, my own opinion, it is when the heart starts to beat. If we mark time of death for a person when the heart stops beating, to me, life would begin when it starts beating.
It’s not perfect, but it seems logical and reasonable to me, although I know people on both sides will tell me the many ways in which I’m wrong.
That is at least legitimate
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:24 am to AggieHank86
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To answer a question of philosophy, it makes far more sense to look to Descartes than to Darwin
Ehhh...we might garner more from Bohr reflecting on babies stuck in Hilbert spaces.
I guess we don't need AI involved in this, though.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:28 am to the808bass
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The question should have been worded, “When does human life begin?”
That’s an interesting philosophical question. But it would only partly inform a legislative discussion.
I’ve listened to some pro abortion people claim that a developing child is not human life until it’s outside the womb and has experienced sufficient life experience to be self aware. My first memories are 2-3 years of age so there ya go.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:30 am to IceTiger
Ask the pro-choice people this:
IF you were convinced human life begins at conception, would it change your stance?
IF you were convinced human life begins at conception, would it change your stance?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:31 am to Bass Tiger
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I’ve listened to some pro abortion people claim that a developing child is not human life until it’s outside the womb and has experienced sufficient life experience to be self aware.
There’s lots of dumb arguments coming out of the mouths of the concupiscent.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:32 am to Bass Tiger
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I’ve listened to some pro abortion people claim that a developing child is not human life until it’s outside the womb and has experienced sufficient life experience to be self aware. My first memories are 2-3 years of age so there ya go.
IMO that is the dumbest arguement
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:33 am to boweswi05
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This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:12 am
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:35 am to boweswi05
You know.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:36 am to CatholicLSUDude
quote:Viability is not arbitrary. Human phenotypic delineation is not arbitrary. Nor is a teratoma ("life" by your definition) appropriately categorized as a human being.
Every other attempt to delineate it is entirely arbitrary.
quote:Are you referring to loud noises, STDs, orgasm, infidelity, or what?
The only reason the answer has been muddied is because people want an excuse to avoid the natural consequences of sex.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:36 am to boweswi05
Morally, at conception...want to get scientific...at the moment of the first heart beat...
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:36 am to boweswi05
Moment of conception
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:39 am to Nurbis
quote:This is the most childish, emotional post I’ve read in a very long time.
Nurbis
I assure you that I am no less “moral” than you.
I am raising two wonderful children. I donate to charity in rather large amounts. I volunteer regularly in my community.
I just see no reason that mere existence should confer legal rights.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:40 am to boweswi05
quote:Not really. It's more about viability one week, when life begins the next and then some arbitrary (15 weeks like the Dobbs case) the next. It's all semantics and you can throw all kinds of crap in there to defend your stance. When do they feel pain, for example.
On this abortion issue it's a big debate on when life starts.
Yesterday's ruling had nothing to do with life begins. It was all whether a woman had a right to privacy under the constitution. There is no constitutional right to an abortion and there never was.
Just like slavery it was legal until it wasn't. Abortion was not legal and then it was until it wasn't. That's how we roll.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:40 am to boweswi05
Biological science says that a single sperm is life. Biological science says that a single egg is life.
I won't even mention the Bible here, but just the biology, because the "party of science" aligns with the fact that a single, microscopic bacteria cell is "life"...
Therefore, I'd say it's rudimentary science that when a sperm fertilizes an egg and the first cell splits into two, that also is "life".
Prove me wrong.
I won't even mention the Bible here, but just the biology, because the "party of science" aligns with the fact that a single, microscopic bacteria cell is "life"...
Therefore, I'd say it's rudimentary science that when a sperm fertilizes an egg and the first cell splits into two, that also is "life".
Prove me wrong.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:41 am to boweswi05
At conception. Everyone knows that. Pro choice people know it. They don’t care. They don’t want to take responsibility for their choices.
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