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re: So if we legalize ALL drugs and end the "War on Drugs" today, how long....
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:53 pm to oogabooga68
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:53 pm to oogabooga68
I don’t know what the answer to hard drugs is, but I do know that weed being deemed illegal, dangerous, and having no safe medical use by the federal government, is completely ridiculous.
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:53 pm to oogabooga68
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America becomes a crime-free Utopia
Nice straw man. Where is the Tin Man and Dorothy?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:54 pm to oogabooga68
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Sorry, but I think most people who believe that "legalizing it" will make a major change in this country are keyboard warriors with no real-life experience in the drug world.
We have hard, real-life evidence to the contrary.
Check the crime rates during and after Prohibition.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:05 pm to Bard
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I also like the idea I heard floated recently of charging anyone dealing anything laced with fentanyl with attempted murder.
I hear Abbott/TX signed an EO saying that smugglers are now terrorists. Thats a positive move.
Problem is we are fighting the commie far left in this country and they have their gameplan in motion and the Right has been sitting on their hands, because we are "to nice."
I heard an interview comment that said the old commies that came over here decades ago found that our Pastors were easy pickings due to wanting to be "nice." Same thing the moslims and chynese are taking advantage especially when they throw money into the mix. We need our Christian leaders to step up and stop giving in. We need Templars.
As to the "soft-drugs" thing...I couldn't care if an adult smokes a joint from time to time, but the issue is people who become dependent on it (though the stoners say that's not possible), and it being done by the youth. It's bound to hurt them more than not, and we are seeing that on the West Coast. Same with Alcohol, an adult doing it in moderation isn't an issue, its the ones who let it control them and not the other way around.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:05 pm to oogabooga68
Suspending my civil liberties because of what someone else may or may not do is the dumbest shite in human history. What makes it even worse is that it doesn’t work and everyone knows it.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:15 pm to oogabooga68
It would be just like Sodom and Gomorrah.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:26 pm to idlewatcher
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Section I: Traffic Fatalities & Impaired Driving
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths where drivers tested positive for marijuana increased 138% while all Colorado traffic deaths increased 29%.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths involving drivers who tested positive for marijuana more than doubled from 55 in 2013 to 131 people killed in 2020.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, the percentage of all Colorado traffic deaths involving drivers who tested positive for marijuana increased from 11% in 2013 to 20% in 2020.
Do you understand that marijuana stays in the system for about 30 days after use? And that there is no way of conclusively testing to see if someone is under the influence at the time of an accident? If so, and if you look at the fact that CO's population is ever growing and look at the fact that the number or marijuana users in CO is also growing, then you cannot conclude that the increases listed in Section 1 are caused by marijuana use or is merely correlation.
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Section II: Marijuana Use
Past month marijuana use (ages 12 and older) increased 26% and is 61% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month adult marijuana use (ages 18 and older) increased 20% and is 62% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month college age marijuana use (ages 18–25) increased 10% and is 53% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month youth marijuana use (ages 12–17) decreased 22% and is 39% higher than the national average, currently ranked 7th in the nation.
Use by minors is against the law and legalization advocates are against it. The rest of this section is irrelevant. Of course more adults are using MJ. It's legal.
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Section III: Public Health
Marijuana-only exposures increased 185% from 2013 when recreational marijuana was legalized compared to 2020.
Treatment for marijuana use for all ages decreased 34% from 2013 to 2020.
The percent of suicide incidents in which toxicology results were positive for marijuana has increased from 14% in 2013 to 29% in 2020.
More irrelevant data showing increases that are expected with a greater % of the population using the drug. I'm not even sure what a "marijuana-only exposure" is or if it is a bad thing.
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Section IV: Black Market
RMHIDTA Colorado Drug Task Forces (10) conducted 294 investigations of black market marijuana in Colorado resulting in:
168 felony arrests
5.54 tons of marijuana seized
86,502 marijuana plants seized
21 different states the marijuana was destined
Seizures of marijuana reported to the El Paso Intelligence Center in Colorado increased 48% from an average of 174 parcels (2009–2012) when marijuana was commercialized to an average of 257 parcels (2013–2020) during the time recreational marijuana became legalized.
I don't know why black market data about MJ is relevant. This section doesn't mention whether or not these arrests have increased or decreased since it was legalized. Since this is a propaganda piece, I assume that these numbers have actually gone down in that time frame.
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Section V: Societal Impact
Marijuana tax revenue represent approximately 0.98% of Colorado’s FY 2020 budget.
66% of local jurisdictions in Colorado have banned medical and recreational marijuana businesses.
Not sure why this is relevant other than to attempt to lead readers to concluding that the financial benefits of legalization have been minimal. There are plenty of other economic indicators (tourism dollars for example) that they don't bother to mention since it wouldn't go along with their anti-legalization agenda.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:34 pm to oogabooga68
We should continue the same thing and hope for different results.
Keep fueling the black market.
Keep fueling the black market.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:35 pm to oogabooga68
Before or after fentanyl kills millions?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:36 pm to oogabooga68
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So if we legalize ALL drugs and end the "War on Drugs" today, how long....
Before America becomes a crime-free Utopia?
It's not that simple
You have to have plans in place to treat people with drug addiction
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:51 pm to oogabooga68
The libertarian view is simple. It all gets back to liberty.
Legalize all drugs. It's your choice.
If you get addicted no public funds should rehab you. That's property theft. Hit the gutter and die.
If you resort to crime, you should be shot dead.
Result: People will stop abusing drugs.
Legalize all drugs. It's your choice.
If you get addicted no public funds should rehab you. That's property theft. Hit the gutter and die.
If you resort to crime, you should be shot dead.
Result: People will stop abusing drugs.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:03 pm to Zach
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The libertarian view is simple. It all gets back to liberty.
Legalize all drugs. It's your choice.
If you get addicted no public funds should rehab you. That's property theft. Hit the gutter and die.
If you resort to crime, you should be shot dead.
Result: People will stop abusing drugs
Well said. I think that drug use should be decriminalized. Drug Trafficking on the other hand. The War on Drugs, how it's been handled, has been a horrendous failure and waste of taxpayer funds. The War on Drugs should be 90% fought at and outside of our Borders. If you are caught illegally trafficking drugs into this country, DEATH. Have a large sign before the border saying that you will be executed on the spot. If the people can't read, than that should be the first thing out of the CBP agent's mouth.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:14 pm to oogabooga68
I'm for making heroin legal and narcan illegal.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:16 pm to idlewatcher
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The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact
Colorado saw a huge population growth, with that comes good and bad people.
Why didnt this happen in vermont?
Colorado isnt the only place you can buy weed.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:29 pm to dgnx6
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Colorado saw a huge population growth, with that comes good and bad people.
Why didnt this happen in vermont?
Colorado isnt the only place you can buy weed.
That report was published by a government agency that relies on the "war on drugs" for it's funding.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:33 pm to oogabooga68
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So if we legalize ALL drugs and end the "War on Drugs" today, how long....
Thought you were going to say “would it take for Hunter Biden to find a new hobby”
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:39 pm to oogabooga68
Only if we quit giving Narcan/Narconon.
China probably supplies both.
China probably supplies both.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 4:18 pm to oogabooga68
If at the very least, nothing will change regarding crime, then ending the prohibition will save the country billions by ending the war on drugs.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 4:22 pm to oogabooga68
quote:It'll open up a shite ton of space in all of these overcrowded prisons where we keep letting people out of jail early, and we could use all that open space to put those people in jail for much longer with much harsher penalties for the violent offenders.
Sorry, but I think most people who believe that "legalizing it" will make a major change in this country are keyboard warriors with no real-life experience in the drug world.
It'll never happen, but that is what should happen.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 4:28 pm to BeepNode
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I support freedom so long as you don't harm or steal from others. Do all the drugs you want. You steal or harm another person then that is still illegal. Sugary foods are an expensive thing for society to deal with in terms of health and yet nobody is suggesting we make junk food illegal. We need to get out of this mindset that we gotta control peoples lives for their own good.
The problem is that we are a welfare state. It’s not compatible with a drug state. It’s the same issue with immigration.
Immigration isn’t bad but when you have uncontrolled immigration with a welfare state it will collapse.
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