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re: PUTIN giving an emergency address to nation right now
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:56 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:56 am to NC_Tigah
Jones is on fire live right now. He called everything Russia was going to say, 20 mins before he gave a speech.
Calling Bolton and stupid mustache and Lloyd Austin morons and buffoons.
It's a HOF promo he just cut. RUMBLE LIVE LINK
Calling Bolton and stupid mustache and Lloyd Austin morons and buffoons.
It's a HOF promo he just cut. RUMBLE LIVE LINK
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:57 am to NC_Tigah
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Then you certainly can quote his words to that effect.
But there is no question Ukrainians are being used as fodder in a dangerous, avoidable, and therefore unnecessary proxy war against Russia.
How was this avoidable? Part of the reason Russia invaded was because Ukraine wanted to join Nato. There certainly could have been a lot of things done differently here I agree.
But this whole idea that Russia taking over Ukraine would have absolutely 0 effect on Europe and the world and the US is fairly laughable also.
I'm not in favor of helping to fund it, but I'm also pointing out we really have no clue where we'd be today if we had not.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:00 pm to klrstix
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Putin is such a victim of the nefarious actions of the US and UK honoring the agreement Putin signed and broke when he invaded Ukraine...
Ukraine has been hitting deep in Russia for quite a while, just not with American and UK arms. In terms of escalation, it is rather trivial compared to Putin introducing a division of North Korean troops to the war. That's equivalent to NATO sending a division of Polish troops to help Ukraine.
Putin is gathering quite a rogue's gallery of players to his axis of power.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:02 pm to baldona
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Did I say no one else was involved? Did Ukraine invade Russia? Did the US invade Russia?
So where's the line? The US can violate every treaty with Russia, bring Ukraine into NATO, put missiles in Ukraine pointed at Moscow, but Putin can't do anything about it until the US actually attacks him?
You're not looking at this objectively. If you wait to be attacked, then you run the risk of already losing the war. If the Nazis lined up all their tanks and infantry on the Polish border in 1939, do you think the Poles should wait until the blitzkrieg starts, or would it be smarter to hit them before they can launch a full attack? If the Poles did attack, would you claim they are the aggressors?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:02 pm to oklahogjr
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Now he's mad Ukraine can hit him back and wants us to stop arming them.
They can't strike back without weaterner's targeting info. They aren't capable of doing it alone. That is the issue.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:02 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
I'm not a fan of Putin or Zeelenskee, I think the whole Russia/Ukraine shite show was 100% avoidable, particularly if the US had not been compromised by a stolen 2020 GE.
However, Putin has put his nation and world peace at risk because of his own paranoia over NATO expansion. There wasn't any imminent threat to Russia from NATO and I think a deal could have been worked out in 2021 where Ukraine remained a sovereign nation outside of NATO membership.
Putin should have laid low and waited for the illegitimate Biden regime to collapse under its own ineptitude (which it has) and then reopened honest dialogue with the US/NATO for a long term agreement.
There is a caveat to this^^^^, if Putin's true intent was to start the process of recapturing pieces of the old Soviet Union then the current Russia/Ukraine shite show was unavoidable, maybe we will get to the truth very soon when Trump is sworn in as President.
If Putin is willing to sit down with Trump and in good faith negotiate an end to this needless war, with both sides agreeing to meaningful concessions, I think there is a decent chance this region of Eurasia could have long term peace and stability.
However, Putin has put his nation and world peace at risk because of his own paranoia over NATO expansion. There wasn't any imminent threat to Russia from NATO and I think a deal could have been worked out in 2021 where Ukraine remained a sovereign nation outside of NATO membership.
Putin should have laid low and waited for the illegitimate Biden regime to collapse under its own ineptitude (which it has) and then reopened honest dialogue with the US/NATO for a long term agreement.
There is a caveat to this^^^^, if Putin's true intent was to start the process of recapturing pieces of the old Soviet Union then the current Russia/Ukraine shite show was unavoidable, maybe we will get to the truth very soon when Trump is sworn in as President.
If Putin is willing to sit down with Trump and in good faith negotiate an end to this needless war, with both sides agreeing to meaningful concessions, I think there is a decent chance this region of Eurasia could have long term peace and stability.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:05 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
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"It is known that it is impossible to use long-range weapons on Russian territory without specialists from the countries where they were manufactured."
I've heard the same a few days ago. We're the baddies
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:06 pm to ItNeverRains
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This is probably not good.
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ItNeverRains
It's about to be raining fallout if the adults don't deescalate this quickly.
This is most certainly not good.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:07 pm to Bass Tiger
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If Putin is willing to sit down with Trump and in good faith negotiate an end to this needless war, with both sides agreeing to meaningful concessions, I think there is a decent chance this region of Eurasia could have long term peace and stability
NATO is a existential threat on Russias door step. This war is not ending until that threat is eliminated.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:08 pm to Bass Tiger
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Putin should have laid low and waited for the illegitimate Biden regime to collapse under its own ineptitude (which it has) and then reopened honest dialogue with the US/NATO for a long term agreement.
There is a caveat to this^^^^, if Putin's true intent was to start the process of recapturing pieces of the old Soviet Union then the current Russia/Ukraine shite show was unavoidable, maybe we will get to the truth very soon when Trump is sworn in as President.
If Putin is willing to sit down with Trump and in good faith negotiate an end to this needless war, with both sides agreeing to meaningful concessions, I think there is a decent chance this region of Eurasia could have long term peace and stability.
Putin wanted Ukraine to have something memorable to finish out his legacy. Doing so while Biden was in office was perfect timing for him.
If he can't finish this before Trump gets in office and Trump comes in and stops him from taking over Ukraine, then by all means this will be a failture to Putin.
Russia already looks very weak right now both financially and militarily.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:10 pm to POTUS2024
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I'm curious what the true damage is from top line hypersonic missiles. It's been speculated that with no warhead at all, just the kinetic energy from impact would be devastating.
Think Rods from God.
Pretty much the same concept, only with missiles instead of tungsten rods.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:11 pm to 4x4tiger
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quote:
"It is known that it is impossible to use long-range weapons on Russian territory without specialists from the countries where they were manufactured."
I've heard the same a few days ago. We're the baddies
Does that make a division of NORKs fighting for Putin the good guys?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:12 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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If the Nazis lined up all their tanks and infantry on the Polish border in 1939, do you think the Poles should wait until the blitzkrieg starts, or would it be smarter to hit them before they can launch a full attack?
The Six Days War in 1967 was exactly this scenario.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:13 pm to 4x4tiger
Putin is just using this as a show to get a better deal once Trump takes over. A real WW3 does nothing for him or his axis of evil. China won’t back him all the way to the US, chinas fragile economy hits the shitter faster than one of his hypersonic missiles if we stop buying all their crap. N Korea is involved for the same reason. Rocket man wants another fan club meeting with Trump.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:14 pm to baldona
quote:Part of the reason?
Part of the reason Russia invaded was because Ukraine wanted to join Nato.
If the NATO issue did not exist, and the US had not participated in the illegal overthrow of a democratic Ukrainian government in 2013-2014, not only would there be no war, Crimea would be Ukrainian.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:15 pm to oklahogjr
quote:You are a fricking idiot dude.
Yet he's the one invading countries. And yes I know america has not been friendly with him and NATO doesn't listen to him or do what he wants but he's the one that started shooting... Now he's mad Ukraine can hit him back and wants us to stop arming them. I'm not big on Ukraine but Putin is quite the motherfricker
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:16 pm to Auburn1968
All I know is after the Soviet Union collapse they tried to normalize relations with the West and they were told GFY. The MIC needed a Boogeyman to sell weapons. Can't make any money on a peaceful world
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:17 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
Of all the things the Dems have done trying to drive this war into an escalation state that fully involves us on such a public level days after the nation made it clear in the most clear way our current electoral map can be that we reject this and dont want any of it, is likely the most scummy worse thing. Most of these people are so old and on deaths door with nothing to maintain in their minds. They are evil people. I still think its likely this is all just Putin positioning himself to get the best deal possible with Trump. but that isnt 100% certain.
frick the left
frick the left
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:18 pm to oklahogjr
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Yet he's the one invading countries.
To be fair, we invaded Iraq. Still have troops there.
We invaded Afghanistan. Spent over 20 years there.
We still have troops in Syria.
We have troops advising in Israel.
We likely have troops advising in Ukraine.
We can’t claim moral high ground on invasions.
And we could’ve negotiated an end to hostilities in Ukraine a long time ago.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:21 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
The United States and NATO have used Ukraine as a stick to poke the Russian bear since 2014. Sooner or later the bear is going to get pissed off.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 12:22 pm
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