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Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:45 pm to Kjnstkmn
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2. “The Russians tried repeatedly to settle on terms that were very, very beneficial to Ukraine and us. The major thing they wanted was for us to keep NATO out of Ukraine.”
Lol, so what terms did Russia give up? So Russia's terms were to only take a couple small pieces of Ukraine and to also keep Ukraine out of Nato?
What was Russia giving up for that? lol you guys
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:47 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
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Russian President Putin says "following long-range strikes from Ukraine, the regional conflict has acquired elements of a global one."
Vlad has effectively declared WW3
Thanks, Biden
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:50 pm to G The Tiger Fan
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Almost as high as Kim Jong Un!
I get your point, but it's apples and oranges.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:50 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
Guy has more backbone than anyone in our federal government put together
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:57 pm to oklahogjr
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I'm not big on Ukraine but Putin is quite the motherfricker
I wish Ukraine was able to stand on its own and those frickers could just chew each other up.
But they can’t, and I don’t want it done on America’s dime.
So frick Ukraine.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:02 pm to Radio One
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I wish Ukraine was able to stand on its own and those frickers could just chew each other up.
But they can’t, and I don’t want it done on America’s dime.
So frick Ukraine.
Let me remind you guys the major issue with Ukraine is that Poland is one of NATO's biggest and most important members, and Ukraine separates Poland and Russia. So one of the big issues from the beginning was keeping the two apart.
I'm not suggesting the US spending this money is a good cause. But what I'm suggesting is I don't know the answer.
Everyone here yelling "war mongerers" are the same ones that would have yelled that when the Nazi's invaded. At some point you have to put your foot down. Where that is or was, IDK.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:04 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
Biden is going to get us killed
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:04 pm to Mikes My Tiger
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Putin won't do shite. If he could he would've done it already. He's been talking the same shite for years.
In my opinion Russia has shown great restraint by keeping this thing a meat grinder and not using its full capabilities. If the west had not gotten in the way Ukraine would have fallen long ago and Russia would have annexed the land it wants. Now it’s either admit defeat or take the sparring gloves off and bring this to the next level.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:10 pm to baldona
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Let me remind you guys the major issue with Ukraine is that Poland is one of NATO's biggest and most important members, and Ukraine separates Poland and Russia. So one of the big issues from the beginning was keeping the two apart. I'm not suggesting the US spending this money is a good cause. But what I'm suggesting is I don't know the answer. Everyone here yelling "war mongerers" are the same ones that would have yelled that when the Nazi's invaded. At some point you have to put your foot down. Where that is or was, IDK.
A measured response. I agree with all this.
ETA: Poland is probably the most easterly expansion of NATO that made any sense. The Baltic states are just a helplessly exposed flank that, by virtue of their size, can’t contribute much but at the same time constitute another defense obligation.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:11 pm to bayoudude
I wouldn't say Russia is showing great restraint. They are throwing some of their best equipment and units into this thing. If they have shown restraint in any field it's been with missiles. There's no reason for Putin to have wanted this thing to go on as long as it has.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:21 pm to baldona
Russia will not tolerate NATO in Ukraine no more than we would let Russia set up in Mexico. Ukraine invited this crap with their US based corruption. The Globalist DC cabal own this.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:24 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
We can't get these bone heads out of office fast enough. Even the Rinos are complicit bc they all making money from war.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:24 pm to RCDfan1950
But they will tolerate Lithuania, Finland, and Latvia on their borders. This has always been why the whole Russian is only doing this because it doesn't want NATO on its borders thing confuses me.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:36 pm to LARancher1991
"Not one inch east." That's what we promised Russia.
A thousand miles later....
WW3.
A thousand miles later....
WW3.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:47 pm to RiverCityTider
Yea but what changed since 2004 (which is when Latvia and Lithuania) joined NATO. Why didn't Russian invade them like Ukraine? All I'm saying is seems like the NATO thing is just an excuse to take some land that the Russians feel has always belonged to them.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:54 pm to lake chuck fan
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Here's a break down % of gdp
I was responding to a post that suggested cutting off US aid will end the war in days. It wont stop the war in days if we cut all funding. Only about 10% of the funding we sent this year has actually reached battlefield in the form of arms. Other NATO countries may or may not get more heavily involved financially or militarily if we cut off aid. The Ukrainians may be more opt to negotiate if US aid is on the line and I'm sure that is part of Trumps negotiation tactic but there are other interest and factors.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:22 pm to RCDfan1950
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Russia will not tolerate NATO in Ukraine no more than we would let Russia set up in Mexico. Ukraine invited this crap with their US based corruption. The Globalist DC cabal own this.
Correct but to add on, it would be more like New Mexico and Arizona decided to secede from the union and become a part of Mexico because we suck and went all woke and Reconquista and all that and so they did it one day and became part of Mexico.
And then 25 years later or so China ran a color revolution to overthrow the legit government Mexico via psy-ops and election frickery and what not and installed a puppet regime there, let’s say they ran fluffy as their new Manchurian candidate President of Mexico
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I’m the new legit President of Mexico
Then they had fluffy start a civil war in Mexico targeting the Mexican provinces of Arizona and New Mexico and started bombing all if the non-Hispanic white bread ex-US people there and slaughtering them left and right.
Then fluffy invited China in to form a military treaty with then so they could stage Chinese troops in the Mexican provinces of Arizona and New Mexico and build military installations there include a few dozen gain of function biological weapon research labs.
That is close to the situation China would be putting us in as far as what we have done to the Ukraine and Russia right down to the CIA puppet comedian president.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:23 pm to oklahogjr
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NATO doesn't listen to him or do what he wants but he's the one that started shooting...
Are you sure about that. I thought that Ukraine forces were attacking ethnic Russians in the Donbass and Donetsk since 2014
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:29 pm to Loserman
Exactly, slaughtering ethnic Russians there
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