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re: Perhaps it was karma for Japan to receive the A-bombs considering their cruelty in WW2
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:10 am to DabosDynasty
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:10 am to DabosDynasty
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Interestingly enough I believe the Germans are destined to rediscover their own nationalism as the EU continues to fracture as they government and the EU continue their masse acceptance of Islamic refugees.
Exactly. As the EU crumbles, a power struggle will begin. And a power struggle in Europe will only lead to war. The next 10-15 years are going to be a shite show over there.
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:11 am to beerJeep
No . You are wrong . They don't deny "at large" . They just don't discuss . If you know anything about Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean. - or any other primarily Buddhist/ Shinto/ Confucian culture, you know they bury past conflict where they were wrong . It's as ingrained in them ( to their detriment imho ) as seeking forgiveness for past sins is in Western/ Christian culture. East versus West - they value " face" ,balance, harmony, etc - whereas we value Truth and public atonement. Japanese " honne" knows the truth, Japanese "tatemae" demands they demonstrate a facade. That's why we called them "inscrutable". We have different operating systems. But the proof you need to know they actually do understand, is their behavior since 1945 . That is the real truth. Always judge the Japanese by what they do, not what they say. The same goes for the Chinese and the Koreans.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:17 am to Lsupimp
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They don't deny "at large" . They just don't discuss
I guess deny is the wrong term. They refuse to even acknowledge it. You bring it up, they change the subject or try to crawfish some sort of excuse. It would be like the south ignoring that slavery ever existed.
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But the proof you need to know they actually do understand, is their behavior since 1945
Oh I absolutely agree. They are a wonderful ally now and have graciously joined the modern world and have reaped a lot of benefits from it.
But that doesn't change the fact that they deserve to be called out on their past actions, as well as their love and worshiping of war criminals.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:23 am to beerJeep
Sadly, in my view, the Germans will be blamed because it's easy. The Germans are a very productive society, Southern Europe is not. They have benefitted greatly, until recently, from the creditworthiness Germany has added to the EU and have used it to rack up uncontrollable debts and obligations. They Germans are in part paying for it and rightfully so want to extract as much of their capital as possible. Germany will be made the aggressor politically and financially. I don't think the German government, which has been aggressive in the EU is a good representation of its population, much like our government. I think the German people will suffer for their government and their own success. Every now and again I catch snippets of nationalism and in some cases Nazi symbols that lead me to believe they're becoming more suceptable to a rebirth of their past in some form. If they rediscover their nationalism and win enough elections on it, the drums of war will get much louder.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:29 am to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
NYT Japanese Textbook controversies
This seems a little more than avoidance to me. This is mostly what I was speaking to, the periodic recurrence of these issues.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:31 am to DabosDynasty
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Germans are a very productive society, Southern Europe is not.
Agree. Germans are and always have been a warring people. It's in their blood. It is who they are. They can suppress it for a time... But all it takes is one passionate leader and the right circumstances.
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don't think the German government, which has been aggressive in the EU is a good representation of its population, much like our government.
A good friend and his sister are from Germany. From talking to them, the media there is exactly like our media. Suppress nationalism and praise globalism. They said attempted attacks happen pretty regularly and are absolutely swept under the rug. Local news won't even touch some of the stories. For instance, over Christmas break they found several unexploded pipe bombs throughout her town. Like 5-6 of them and not a peep from the media.
Those times when you have a downvote stalker who won't pop in and say hi
I see youThis post was edited on 5/10/17 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:46 am to beerJeep
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I guess deny is the wrong term. They refuse to even acknowledge it. You bring it up, they change the subject or try to crawfish some sort of excuse. It would be like the south ignoring that slavery ever existed.
Yep. Welcome to Asia. Where conflict is never truly resolved to Western rationalist/Christian satisfaction. It's maddening if you don't understand what you are seeing or where they are coming from.
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But that doesn't change the fact that they deserve to be called out on their past actions, as well as their love and worshiping of war criminals.
Let's call em out. But since they actually do kinda sorta worship their ancestors (good and bad) let's not expect any movement on the latter. Good luck getting a Buddhist (Shinto /Zen/Confucian etc) to denounce their ancestors. It's just not going to happen very often.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:54 am to Lsupimp
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Where conflict is never truly resolved to Western rationalist/Christian satisfaction. It's maddening if you don't understand what you are seeing or where they are coming from.
So true. I want to get into the history of the far East but the language barrier and not being able to pronounce names and places hinder that
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Good luck getting a Buddhist (Shinto /Zen/Confucian etc) to denounce their ancestors. It's just not going to happen very often.
Yep. It's just hard to grasp defending people who are up there with Hitler in terms of human atrocities.
I'm just glad they seem to have learned their lesson. For the time being at least.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:58 am to beerJeep
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Exactly. As the EU crumbles, a power struggle will begin. And a power struggle in Europe will only lead to war. The next 10-15 years are going to be a shite show over there.
I love the distorted view that some of you have regarding the EU. Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:59 am to DabosDynasty
Yeah-I get that. It's been the been an issue since well before I moved to Japan in the 90's. See my explanation above. Remember I'm not excusing them-just explaining them.
Look-I'm married to a Vietnamese Buddhist. And let me tell you, conflict/truth/reality are all very different things to the two of us. I am a Buddhist novice-and it's an eye opener. I want to get to THE BOTTOM OF THINGS DAMN IT. Yeah, that's not going to happen. But then again, in our entire extended family-we have no real conflict because if it already happened, it's gone, time to practice compassion with one another, etc. Meanwhile, my Catholic family is arguing every fricking point and arriving at some version of truth no matter how much it devastates relationships. I'll take the Buddhist approach with family and the Christian approach with objective truth concerning war crimes. But both approaches remain at odds.
Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth!
Look-I'm married to a Vietnamese Buddhist. And let me tell you, conflict/truth/reality are all very different things to the two of us. I am a Buddhist novice-and it's an eye opener. I want to get to THE BOTTOM OF THINGS DAMN IT. Yeah, that's not going to happen. But then again, in our entire extended family-we have no real conflict because if it already happened, it's gone, time to practice compassion with one another, etc. Meanwhile, my Catholic family is arguing every fricking point and arriving at some version of truth no matter how much it devastates relationships. I'll take the Buddhist approach with family and the Christian approach with objective truth concerning war crimes. But both approaches remain at odds.
Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth!
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:06 pm to weagle99
If you're ever in Tokyo, go to the Yushukan. It's a military museum that tells history from their side. Very interesting place.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
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love the distorted view that some of you have regarding the EU
The EU today? Or the EU in 10-20 years?
I can absolutely see the EU crumbling in the next decade or two.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:25 pm to beerJeep
quote:What is the statute of limitations on that, though? When all adults or boys of fighting age have died? We shouldn't forget the past but at what point do you stop holding the sins of the fathers against the sons? We see that today with the reparations movement for slavery that ended 150 years ago. At some point atrocities of the past become a lesson for future generations not to repeat rather than an excuse to look down on people.
But that doesn't change the fact that they deserve to be called out on their past actions,
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:25 pm to beerJeep
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Maybe so, but they still vehemently deny any and all allegations of wrong doing. Rape of nanking? Western propaganda. Death camps, death marches, Unit 731, using babies as bayonet practice targets.. All of it is denied by the Japanese at large.
Yup.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:27 pm to beerJeep
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But all it takes is one passionate leader and the right circumstances.
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Those times when you have a downvote stalker and who won't pop in and say hi I see you.
Yeah I really don't get this. A. What's point? B. If there is a point, be a little less obvious than downvoting the posts on this thread. Lol. Just a honest discussion.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:27 pm to weagle99
I had relatives in both theaters. The way those that served in Europe spoke of their German counterparts was completely different than those that served in the pacific. Vetrans of the pacific carried a deep seeded hatred for all things Japanese.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:28 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Most Americans probably ignore our wrongdoing in the Vietnam war as well
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:32 pm to FooManChoo
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What is the statute of limitations on that, though? When all adults or boys of fighting age have died? We shouldn't forget the past but at what point do you stop holding the sins of the fathers against the sons? We see that today with the reparations movement for slavery that ended 150 years ago. At some point atrocities of the past become a lesson for future generations not to repeat rather than an excuse to look down on people.
You misunderstood. I'm not asking to punish them or any of that. I simply believe we shouldn't sweep the past under the table. I don't hold the Japanese today responsible for the crimes of their fathers, but i do think it is something that should never be forgotten.
Same with slavery and the South. My ancestors owned slaves. I don't apologize for It and I won't expect anyone else to apologize for it either. But it happened. And I don't believe we should cleanse our history of our atrocities.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:33 pm to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
Yeah two vastly different cultures. Frankly I think our society can learn a lot from Asian societies, not to copy, but to understand and use that understanding to make our own better. Value of education, respect, and reverence of elders for example.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:36 pm to beerJeep
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Agree. Germans are and always have been a warring people. It's in their blood. It is who they are. They can suppress it for a time... But all it takes is one passionate leader and the right circumstances.
It can be bred out of them. Look at bull dogs. 500 years ago they fought bulls. Today they fight for the couch.
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