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re: New shooting in Minnesota
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:19 pm to Narax
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:19 pm to Narax
The one ICE agent pushing people and going ham with the pepper spray is a hot headed moron. He needs to be debadged regardless of the outcome here. He unnecessarily escalated the shite out of this.
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 2:25 pm
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:20 pm to Bunkie7672
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And they will regain power. There’s no doubt in my mind about that. So when they turn around and make excuses for government agents murdering citizens like they did on Jan 6th what the FAFO’d brigade on here going to bitch about? You asked for it.
Me personally?
I won't bitch about it because I am not a Bitch. I am an American Paratrooper.
Let's not make excuses about anything, but, let's try to establish a common sense legal regime to govern the actions of LE and then apply that legal regime to the facts at hand.
The legal regime or standard that we devise may need updating and clarification from time to time, so let's do that, too.
Good idea, right?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:20 pm to Houag80
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He was not there to protest.
It wasn't a protest, so that checks out.
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No ID.
I keep seeing people saying this but I'm not seeing it being reported anywhere.
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Fully loaded Sig.
So?
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Two additional mags.
So?
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~46 rounds.
So?
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He was there to kill
Then why didn't he?
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but the border patrol prevented him from completing his mission.
Did he abandon his mission just to help the lady that the CBP guy shoved? Seems like that would have been the time to draw and fire if he "was there to kill ".
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:20 pm to rocksteady
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If you gays insist that innocents are being murdered on the streets by the gestapo... why do you keep parking your cars in their way and fist fighting them?
Are you suggesting that people should not resist (what they perceive to be) tyranny? If this was Biden’s roving CDC squads enforcing a mask and vax mandate, this patriot’s killing would be justified?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:20 pm to Narax
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They identified him as a threat
For filming them? He was holding a phone in his hand..
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:21 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Idiot status confirmed. Go change your diaper gramps.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:22 pm to Houag80
quote:Jesus Christ
He was there to kill....but the border patrol prevented him from completing his mission.
How on earth could you possibly know that?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:22 pm to Dead Mike
Two different things. One is attempting to enforce a law that has been codified and been there for many presidents while there was never any law to mask or get the vaccine as far as im concerned.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
I am wise.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:24 pm to Cito2point0
The argument I keep seeing was he wasn’t complying. They weren’t just trying to restrain him, they were beating the shite out of him.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:24 pm to GeneralLee
Another lunatic that tried to get in the way of government officials doing their job. Ultimately found out the hard way not to do that. RIP dumbass!
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:24 pm to Narax
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Permit to Carry frequently asked questions
Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.
I must have missed the request of a peace officer in all the videos.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:25 pm to Houag80
Even so, you cannot know a guy conceal carrying with 2 extra mags is there to kill people.
That’s normal behavior. What on earth is wrong with doing that?
That’s normal behavior. What on earth is wrong with doing that?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:25 pm to ReauxlTide222
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What? Why would that be a threat?
So you don't think someone who deletes his social Media, leaves his ID at home, brings a gun and 2 extra mags... is in any way a threat?
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I haven’t really seen that part
Because you weren't there.
The LEOs were.
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I doubt he did.
Would have gone a lot better, he would probably be alive, the law is there to avoid that situation.
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That’s still no reason to shoot him. Did he even reach for his gun at any point? Why would they shoot him there?
Are you sure he confronted them? I’ve heard they confronted him.
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the accounts of Homeland Security officials, who said that the man approached Border Patrol agents with a handgun and the intent to “massacre” them.
Like with the "Good" incident, she confronted the agents multiple times and it took a while for all the video to come out.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:25 pm to GeneralLee
Would you live in Minnesota, Portland or San Francisco
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:25 pm to bengalman
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:25 pm to bengalman
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:26 pm to Ailsa
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:26 pm to BigTigerJoe
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Not all the ICE officers saw that one of them had gotten the perps gun. It was seconds and the perp was still resisting. With mere seconds and a gun that was in his hand, they reacted in self defense.
This will be a justified self-defense shooting all day long. The media and leftists will act like it was an execution while the facts are that he had a weapon and was shot. The fact that a second before the weapon was removed doesn’t matter at all.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 2:28 pm to Champagne
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We may be talking at cross-purposes here. I am man-splaining my position WRT what I think the Law should be in these matters. You may be speculating WRT what the Law actually is. What do you think the Law should be? That's the question that I'm answering with my posts.
Correct, I am speaking on what the law is and I also agree with that law in principle, even if I don’t agree with every ruling and how the law is always applied.
I do agree with the Graham factors. I do believe LEOs have dangerous jobs and have to make split second decisions. But I also don’t want to live in a society where LEOs killing civilians isn’t something that should only be done in the rare situations it’s absolutely necessary. It seems like a lot of “small government, freedom” types here are OK with big bad government officials being judge jury and executioners if a citizen doesn’t immediately comply.
In this case, it’s simple imo. If he was reaching for a gun, shooting is justified. If he was simply actively resisting after his gun was removed (if that was his gun) and body cam does not show him trying to reach for an officers weapon… then you can’t just shoot an actively resisting suspect.
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