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Powerman
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
Well looks like I was wrong in this case. I still think you're insane


SmackoverHawg
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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Gaspergou202

Have an upvote. Not just the reasons you said, but also grants available to start clinics/businesses-for up to $500k in some cases-and tax leniency for minority/immigrant etc.

Also pay attention to the names in most every insurance fraud case. The smart ones send that shite back home and cash out before they’re caught.


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SlapahoeTribe
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
We do this to ourselves:

- US Medical Schools have some of this highest admission standards in the world

- US Medical Schools require a four year degree before even applying

- US Colleges are expensive

- US Medical Schools are really expensive

- The US damn near requires an MD to hand out anything stronger than aspirin

So, through regulations we have a higher need for MDs than most of the world, then we make it harder than most of the world to get an MD, then we make it more expensive than most of the world to get an MD... that’s why a third of our physicians come from abroad.


Stingray
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
Those could be Americans filling those slots, but our government sucks.


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lilsnappa
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
Most American born people that pursue a medical career go through 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of med school,and a 3 residency. That only gets you go to the primary care level, which has much lower income trajectory than sub-specialization. Because of this, most continue into a) longer residencies or b) fellowships to gain higher status in the medical world and make more $$.

You're only making $50k/yr through all of this (while your students loan interest compounds).

Foreign born Drs can come to the US on a H1b visa, with the agreement of working in a rural area (where no American Drs want to live) for a couple years, and then pursue whatever medical career they want.

Our academic medical system is not set up to add more primary care physicians to the undeserved areas...


lordguill
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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I would rather go to an Indian than an affirmative action doctor.




Look, I hate affirmative action, but it doesn’t get them past med school or residency. If the doctor is good at his job, then I don’t care what path he took.


TigerDoc
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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I've had a couple of foreign doctors and they were much better at communicating than the engineering professors I had at LSU


One of the reasons I see immigration generally as rather benign is my history of training and working alongside foreign-born docs. They're on average as good as those we produce here and as long as we're rigorously testing them for competence we should be bringing in more.


MrCarton
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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I personally tend to avoid Doctos with such names not because I dislike them or think they aren't competent but because I've had multiple experiences where I couldn't even fully communicate with them. Describing why I'd come to the doctor often felt about the same as talking to tech support on the phone to a dude named "Steve"(whose name was definitely NOT Steve)


Foreign born doctors are simply not as good as native born doctors. We don't need them, we need to stop artificially restricting the development of native born doctors.


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WildManGoose
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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I refuse to see any Dr who’s name Mahmoud, Singh, Nguyen, etc. One time they tried to trick me and I walked out of the office!



Would you prefer Mahmoud, who went to medical school at Emory, and did his residency at the Mayo Clinic or T-Bruce who went to Grenada and did his residency at Earl K?

You should look at experience and not names when choosing your physician.


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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
I look at both.


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OchoDedos
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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You're only making $50k/yr through all of this (while your students loan interest compounds).



Apply for a Military HPSP Scholarship.

Earn $85-$110K/year, without a dime of Student Loan payback, while serving your commitment.


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roadGator
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
You voted for Hillary. You can't be trusted. Plus you want socialized medicine. Never trust people that want to grow government significantly.


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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
ETA: NM, gotcha.
This post was edited on 12/6 at 9:32 am


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NC_Tigah
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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newt republican.
House.
Funding.

Whose idea was it?
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U.S. to Pay New York Hospitals Not to Train Doctors, Easing Glut
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
FEB. 18, 1997


In a plan that health experts greeted as brilliant and bizarre, Federal regulators announced yesterday that for the next six years they would pay New York State hospitals not to train physicians.

Just as the Federal Government for many years paid corn farmers to let fields lie fallow, 41 of New York's teaching hospitals will be paid $400 million to not cultivate so many new doctors, their main cash crop.

The plan's primary purpose is to stem a growing surplus of doctors in parts of the nation, as well as to save Government money. But the payments are manna to New York's cash-starved hospitals, which are struggling to trim the size of their staffs and adapt to the world of managed care.

The plan required no Congressional action and thus was not debated . . .

LINK


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The Egg
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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I refuse to see any Dr who’s name Mahmoud, Singh, Nguyen, etc. One time they tried to trick me and I walked out of the office!


yeah bc the guy named john williams md won't try to get one by you either.


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AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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We do this to ourselves:

- US Medical Schools have some of this highest admission standards in the world

- US Medical Schools require a four year degree before even applying

- US Colleges are expensive

- US Medical Schools are really expensive

- The US damn near requires an MD to hand out anything stronger than aspirin

So, through regulations we have a higher need for MDs than most of the world, then we make it harder than most of the world to get an MD, then we make it more expensive than most of the world to get an MD... that’s why a third of our physicians come from abroad.



US med schools most certainly do not require a 4 year degree BEFORE even applying. The majority of applicants are juniors in college. You can even get into med schools without an undergrad degree as long as you have the pre-reqs. The high US med school admission standards are not problematic because every seat is filled at med schools regardless.

The problem isn't with the school, costs, or DEA prescription restrictions, its residency training availability.


NC_Tigah
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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Well looks like I was wrong in this case. I still think you're insane
I guess you're right. I meet the definition. After all, I've posted the same material over and over, expecting a different result.


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Norbert
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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Look, I hate affirmative action, but it doesn’t get them past med school or residency.


No, but it results in higher failure rates for those unqualified students filling seats of qualified students who wouldn't have flunked out.

The same goes for medical school gender quotas. Females take more time off, are more likely to only work part-time, and retire far earlier.



NC_Tigah
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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The problem isn't with the school, costs, or DEA prescription restrictions, its residency training availability.
Indeed.
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While the number of medical school graduates is increasing, the number of residency training positions has not kept pace. If this imbalance is not addressed, the number of American MD and DO graduates will exceed the number of first-year residency positions, which by some estimates could occur as soon as 2017. When this happens, young physicians-who dedicated years to the pursuit of a medical education and incurred significant debt doing so-will not be able to practice medicine, and the physician shortage will persist.

Part of the problem stems from the funding mechanism for Graduate Medical Education (GME). Medicare covers the majority of the cost teaching hospitals spend on training medical residents, but the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 capped the number of residency slots the federal government would fund.

LINK
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Even though 99.4 percent of available residency slots were filled — the highest fill rate ever — 528 U.S. medical graduates couldn’t enter a residency program this year. That’s more than double the number of graduates from last year.

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lordguill
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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No, but it results in higher failure rates for those unqualified students filling seats of qualified students who wouldn't have flunked out.


Without question. Not doubting that at all.


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