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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
Posted on 12/6/18 at 12:56 pm to Ebbandflow
Posted on 12/6/18 at 12:56 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:No. But they are occasionally difficult to communicate with.
Foreign people are scary
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Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:24 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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You’re right, mandated quota may be wrong but they are trying to force the admissions to be 50/50. But as my previous post states, the hours and longevity of female physicians (on the whole) is less than male physicians.
“Quota?” That doesnt make sense. There are more woman who apply to medical schools and theres no data to say they are less qualified than men (at least on paper, last I checked).
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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An analogy would be the Feds stepping in, proclaiming a lawyer can only charge $100/hr regardless of quality
Yeah. Physicians wages aren't stagnant like that, they've actually ballooned the last five years or so because they drive all the revenue from our broken health care system and banks/PE have bought out tons of groups, so your analogy is off.
I have a buddy that is going to be handed a health care division at CITI Group that's explained a lot of this to me, but I'll be honest I don't have the specifics on hand they are lost in free flowing Shiner, but I can promise you, the "woah is me" attitude of doctors would be a lot different if they were all operating like the Lasik "template".
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:34 pm to NC_Tigah
Well, they have spent the last few decades pushing blacks and women over more qualified white males for med school acceptance.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:42 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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I refuse to see any Dr who’s name Mahmoud, Singh, Nguyen, etc. One time they tried to trick me and I walked out of the office!
Not to be mean here, but that is just plain stupid. A great many Asians are trained in medical school and residencies here is the states and are really great doctors.
One thing you don't need to work about are Asians, if domestically trained, getting the spot because of affirmative action.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 6:53 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:Ballooned?
Physicians wages aren't stagnant like that, they've actually ballooned the last five years or so
Wow! That is completely false.
In fact, I believe surgeon income fell something on the order of 9% last year
Sept 2018 -- Only 37% of physicians report earning more in the last year
NPs, PAs saw pay jump in 2017; primary care physician pay flat
2017 was the first year physician pay rose by less than 2 percent in over 10 years
Physician RVU compensation increased 0.3% in 2014-2015.
From 2013 to 2014, PCPs in states that did not expand Medicaid saw their collections increase 3.3%, while PCPs in states that did expand Medicaid saw collections increase by 3%.
The group in which income has increased is Plastics. Of course, it is also one of the relatively few free-market medical fields out there.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 6:58 pm to Geauxboy
quote:As pertains to Medical School, I'm not aware of that.
Well, they have spent the last few decades pushing blacks and women over more qualified white males for med school acceptance.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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Ballooned?
Wow! That is completely false.
No it’s not.
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The group in which income has increased is Plastics. Of course, it is also one of the relatively few free-market medical fields out there.
One of your links shows cardiac/thoracic surgeons reporting a 6.4% increase in just 2017-2018. Do you know that just one year without a 2% increase means that every other year doctors wages are vastly outpacing other fields?
You’re an idiot.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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As pertains to Medical School, I'm not aware of that.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:18 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:The same link showing
One of your links shows cardiac/thoracic surgeons reporting a 6.4% increase in just 2017-2018
1. Emergency medicine: 1 percent increase
2. General surgery: 0.7 percent increase
3. OB-GYN (general): .9 percent increase
4. Ophthalmology: 2.3 percent decrease
5. Orthopedic surgery: 0.9 percent increase
6. Otolaryngology: 0.4 percent increase
7. Urology: 0.1 percent decrease
quote:Interesting invective. FYI, this is subject matter I happen to be fairly familiar with. What would lead you to attempt such derision here?
You’re an idiot.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:23 pm to NC_Tigah
My GP is from "outta town".
He is adept at the brutal craft.
He is adept at the brutal craft.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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Interesting invective. FYI, this is subject matter I happen to be fairly familiar with. What would lead you to attempt such derision here?
Because you could easily find the wage growth of doctors over the last decade vs every other profession and see that you're wrong. You even post a link that one year where the headline was only 2% growth was achieved just one year out of a decade, irrespective of what happened the other 9. This is why you're not smart. Pretty simple.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:12 am to WildManGoose
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Would you prefer Mahmoud, who went to medical school at Emory, and did his residency at the Mayo Clinic or T-Bruce who went to Grenada and did his residency at Earl K?
Do I have a difficult to diagnose systemic illness, or a gunshot wound? There are definitely some situations were T-Bruce is the guy you want.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:33 am to TeLeFaWx
This was your assertion:
To help you out, I posted a series of links covering physician wages over the period you were addressing, the period of five years in which you claimed wages "ballooned". I'd have thought that would have been sufficient to correct your misunderstanding.
Unfortunately instead, given your originally erroneous claim, you apparently now want to shift your argument, and address wages over the past decade. Over that period, wages increased in healthcare. They were marked in the area of nonphysican salaries, specifically in medical administration, and less so in actual direct care areas such as nursing and mid-level provision.
Without wasting further time sourcing, MD income increases, if applicable, were largely due to increased workload rather than charges.
Do you really want to persist in this?
quote:Again, that is just false.
Physicians wages aren't stagnant like that, they've actually ballooned the last five years or so
To help you out, I posted a series of links covering physician wages over the period you were addressing, the period of five years in which you claimed wages "ballooned". I'd have thought that would have been sufficient to correct your misunderstanding.
Unfortunately instead, given your originally erroneous claim, you apparently now want to shift your argument, and address wages over the past decade. Over that period, wages increased in healthcare. They were marked in the area of nonphysican salaries, specifically in medical administration, and less so in actual direct care areas such as nursing and mid-level provision.
Without wasting further time sourcing, MD income increases, if applicable, were largely due to increased workload rather than charges.
quote:2% is from last year when you mistakenly insisted MD wage growth had ballooned. As 2% is only about 60% of last year's average national 3.2% wage growth (btw, it's currently 3.7% as noted below), and as 2% represents a physician wage decline relative to inflation, your claim of "ballooning" is baloney.
the headline was only 2% growth was achieved just one year out of a decade
Do you really want to persist in this?
quote:Perhaps you should take that moniker on as your new username.
Pretty simple.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:37 am to EA6B
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T-Bruce is the guy you want.
He's the guy I want by default, and I don't give two fricks what med school he comes from. Mr. Singhs ability to qualify for X medical school or residency means absolutely nothing to me. I've been around long enough to know the game.
And you are gonna see a lot more natives getting good residencies through non-standard routes like Caribbean schools or DO schools soon, partly because a lot of other people know the game too.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:44 am to MrCarton
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He's the guy I want by default, and I don't give two fricks what med school he comes from. Mr. Singhs ability to qualify for X medical school or residency means absolutely nothing to me. I've been around long enough to know the game. And you are gonna see a lot more natives getting good residencies through non-standard routes like Caribbean schools or DO schools soon, partly because a lot of other people know the game too.
So if I understand you correctly, you’ll See Dr. Smith who went to med school in Dominica before you see Dr. Patel who went to med school state-side?
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:50 am to NC_Tigah
Including this guy:
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:52 am to Jorts R Us
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So if I understand you correctly, you’ll See Dr. Smith who went to med school in Dominica before you see Dr. Patel who went to med school state-side?
I literally said exactly that, didn't I?
Let me check:
quote:
T-Bruce is the guy you want.
He's the guy I want by default, and I don't give two fricks what med school he comes from. Mr. Singhs ability to qualify for X medical school or residency means absolutely nothing to me. I've been around long enough to know the game.
Yep, covered that already.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 7:54 am
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:53 am to MrCarton
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And you are gonna see a lot more natives getting good residencies through non-standard routes like Caribbean schools or DO schools soon, partly because a lot of other people know the game too.
DO schools are far better than Caribbean schools. I've interviewed at a few for a possible double degree (either MD/Ph.D or DO/Ph.D) and I've been really impressed with them. The curriculum are virtually the same as MD schools save for the Osteopathic manipulative medicine stuff, which I don't think any osteopath really uses all that much when they practice.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 7:54 am
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:54 am to crazy4lsu
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DO schools are far better than Caribbean schools. I've interviewed at a few for a possible double degree (either MD/Ph.D or DO/Ph.D) and I've been really impressed with them. The curriculum are virtually the same save for the Osteopathic manipulative medicine stuff, which I don't think any osteopath really uses all that much when they practice.
I'm aware. My brother is a DO, and I have a more distant (older) relative who attended school in Dominica. They aren't really comparable experiences.
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