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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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I personally tend to avoid Doctos with such names not because I dislike them or think they aren't competent but because I've had multiple experiences where I couldn't even fully communicate with them. Describing why I'd come to the doctor often felt about the same as talking to tech support on the phone to a dude named "Steve"(whose name was definitely NOT Steve)


I've had a couple of foreign doctors and they were much better at communicating than the engineering professors I had at LSU

I don't go to the doctor often though


TBoy
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Dear Lord. I'm not going to claim to recall, but please for the love of God tell me that Clinton didn't actually believe reducing supply would drive down costs!!


Nah. He’s making that up. Also, the Clinton administration was many moons ago, across a great ocean of other administrations, and has nothing to do with the current availability of American born physicians.
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Gaspergou202
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
The cost of a medical education in the US rises while the earnings of doctors decreases. Both are due to government interference in the free market. Government guaranteed student loans allow tuition to climb to ridiculous heights, and government interference in medicine (Medicare) lowers their pay.

Now foreign people have the same brain power but lower cost of education. Because the economies of their 3rd world native countries suck, the lower rewards of our doctors are heaven to them.


Powerman
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Dear Lord. I'm not going to claim to recall, but please for the love of God tell me that Clinton didn't actually believe reducing supply would drive down costs!!



Keep in mind who is telling you this: an insane person


NC_Tigah
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please for the love of God tell me that Clinton didn't actually believe reducing supply would drive down costs!!
100%.
During the Clinton years, Medicare, which is the major residency funding source, was even used to pay residency programs to shut down training slots.


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I've had a couple of foreign doctors and they were much better at communicating than the engineering professors I had at LSU

Admittedly, the doctor who delivered my 10 year old was a female Indian(dot, not feather). And, we loved her. She was great.

But, she came recommended and yeah, I admit it. I asked the person who recommended her if I would be able to converse with her in English.

Yeah. I know that might be looked at bad, but, when you've spent 20 minutes trying to describe to a doctor how an injury happened and they still don't understand............it's a legit question.


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TeLeFaWx
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
Residency is a racket, artificially limited, and because of salaries it ends up funneling all US dcotors in to specialization. Your general practitioners are born abroad because of shitty regulations on our health care industry and education system.


ShortyRob
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Keep in mind who is telling you this: an insane person



I did do some Googling and filtered for the 1992-2000 period.

Reducing residency to solve the physician "glut"


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CelticDog
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More proof that the Dems fail economics forever. 



and apparently no republicans cared since clinton1, gop owned both houses of congress and president and nothing was improved. Gop likes the m.d.shortage just like it is. Gop has both houses now. Now. Crickets.
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Epic Cajun
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we still won't go to non-american doctors (except these) but sometimes this philosophy is not in our own best interests....it is the safest philosophy,though

You guys can't be real people


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During the Clinton years, 


newt republican.
House.
Funding.

Whose idea was it?


337Tiger19
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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Yes, it's getting bad


Talking about the poli board? I agree


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337Tiger19
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we still won't go to non-american doctors (except these) but sometimes this philosophy is not in our own best interests....it is the safest philosophy,though



Explain increased safety please


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ShortyRob
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Keep in mind who is telling you this: an insane person

Gotta tell ya.

The two links I've been able to find tend to support the "insane" person you speak of. Here's the other. Hell. There's a paragraph that explicitly states that too many physicians are considered to be "cost generators" that drive up expenses to the govt". PDF Link on the subject


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Suregrow
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
Foreign born and trained doctors must go through US residency in order to practice here.

You are using the term general practitioner wrong. A GP is some one who completed medical school and one year of post graduate training but did not become board certified-common 40 years ago but not anymore. Now what most people consider to be a “GP” is a board certified family medicine or internal medicine doctor.

You are correct in that residency spots for primary care are artificially limited. Many politicians incorrectly think building and starting new medical schools are the answer however unless these graduates can match and complete a residency then they never make it the workforce


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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
I actively try to see Indian doctors when I can.


NC_Tigah
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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Keep in mind who is telling you this: an insane person
Yep, Certifiable
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Slate

Yes, We Have No Physicians

By JODIE T. ALLEN
FEB 23, 1997


. . . the 41 teaching hospitals that have volunteered to participate in the Medicare Graduate Medical Education Demonstration Project approved this week by the federal Health Care Financing Administration. The project will pay some $400 million in cash to these schools. In return, they have agreed not to train between 20 percent and 25 percent of the medical residents they would otherwise have trained over the next six years. Hospitals in other states were quick to complain that they had not been offered the same opportunity for sacrifice to the cause of medical progress. But HCFA’s administrator, Bruce Vladeck, explained that the effort was necessarily limited in scope until the success of the strategy had been tested. This is, after all, a demonstration project.
The NYTimes wrote an extensive piece on this at the time. We've discussed it here on several occasions in the past.


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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
You like smelly arm pits or Slurpee coupons better?


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OchoDedos
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
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Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad


More of an indictment of public education


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ShortyRob
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re: Nearly 1 in 3 US physicians were born abroad
If P'man had any decency, he'd at least come back to this thread and address the links I provided and you provided.

I had no dog in the hunt. I simply Googled. It would appear that there is at least some merit to the idea that Clinton pushed this policy and somehow, for reasons unknown, thought it would drive costs down!


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