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Milton Friedman quotes on protective tariffs

Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:17 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:17 pm



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The proponents of protectionism say, “Free trade is fine in theory but it must be reciprocal. We cannot open our markets to foreign products if foreigners close their markets to us.” China, they argue, to use their favorite whipping boy, “keeps her vast internal market for the private domain of Chinese industry but then pushes her products into the U.S. market and complains when we try to prevent this unfair tactic.”

The argument sounds reasonable. It is, in fact, utter nonsense. Exports are the cost of trade, imports the return from trade, not the other way around.

Suppose China were incredibly successful in her alleged attempt to restrict imports into China, managing to dispense with them entirely. Suppose that China were incredibly successful in her alleged attempts to push exports to the U.S., managing to sell us large quantities of assorted goods. What would China do with the dollars she received for her exports? Take crisp greenbacks back to Beijing to stash in the vaults of the Bank of China? Let deposits at U.S. banks pile up? Jolly for us. Can you think of a better deal than our getting fine textiles, shiny cars and sophisticated TV sets for a bale of green printed paper? Or for some entries on the books of banks? If the Chinese would only be willing to keep on doing that, we can provide all the green paper they will take.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:21 pm to
But but my unskilled, lower level union manufacturing jobs! We must devolve our economy to save them from adapting to modern life! Bootstraps don't exist for them!
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:29 pm to
I love Friedman. He’s an economic genius but the modern economic world changes likes the winds.. sometimes exceptions have to be put in place to balance the scales of economy’s that don’t play the same game much less by th e same rules.
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:30 pm to
The resident retard and his useful idiot as OP and first reply. It’s amazing how perfect things can be sometimes.

There has been one true economic threat to the US and that is China. They had so many advantages and honestly still do. But their natural fall is coming due to demographics, lack of true engineering ability, a huge real estate bubble etc.

Some people want to put the pressure and screws to the communists that are enacting human rights abuses and destabilizing the Pacific.

Others vote for someone who takes Chinese money and gives them influence. And in the past voted for some piece of shite wanna be pimp from Arkansas who gave them weapons technology for money.

Y’all are in the second pathetic group. Excuse us for not accepting your opinions.
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 6:31 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:32 pm to
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sometimes exceptions have to be put in place to balance the scales of economy’s that don’t play the same game much less by th e same rules.


He covered this specifically in like the 70s.
Posted by masoncj
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2023
776 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:35 pm to
It’s not the trade of product and services it’s the devaluing of currency that leads to tariffs being needed

Milton who I agree with in theory would be the first to tell after viewing how bad the Chinese cheat at everything …stealing intellectual property would be a huge Red flag in Milton analysis of China.

They simple don’t play by the same rules …they are liars and cheats and tariffs/penalities/fines are a must in that type of situation
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 6:37 pm
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

There has been one true economic threat to the US and that is China. They had so many advantages and honestly still do. But their natural fall is coming due to demographics, lack of true engineering ability, a huge real estate bubble etc.


China has been a "house of cards" for about 20 years now. Seems more like wishful thinking than anything else.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

He covered this specifically in like the 70s.


And? Quite a bit has changed in those 50 yeArs much like the previous 50 before that.
Posted by Tandemjay
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:37 pm to
You should move to a country where you are not the minority.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:38 pm to
quote:

There has been one true economic threat to the US and that is China. They had so many advantages and honestly still do.


yup. i like friedman but we do not agree here. china has dumped cheap shite and caused us loss of jobs. they cheat and devalue their currency. we should absolutely not be buying things related to our national security from them like we do. it is fricking stupid. want to sell here? then build it here and employ Americans or pay the tariffs. frick the chicoms.

i was even willing to pay more for american made goods. trumps tariffs did not affect us at all like they said they would. the left and GOPe lied. SHOCKED!

trump exposed how canada was fricking us on tariffs as well as europe and of course china.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:44 pm to
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i was even willing to pay more for american made goods. trumps tariffs did not affect us at all like they said they would. the left and GOPe lied. SHOCKED!


Who actually pays the tariff?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

stealing intellectual property would be a huge Red flag in Milton analysis of China.

That is a problem and has nothing to do with this conversation
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:52 pm to
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And? Quite a bit has changed in those 50 yeArs much like the previous 50 before that.

It's the same issue and he already covered it.

Or do you want to say Thomas Sowell is wrong, too? He called Trump's tariffs a "catastrophic mistake" in 2018, for the same reasons.


Posted by masoncj
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2023
776 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:57 pm to
Sowell is wrong on this one …again I like him as well but he is just wrong here
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5966 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

They simple don’t play by the same rules …they are liars and cheats and tariffs/penalities/fines are a must in that type of situation



Trump put tariffs on most Chinese goods. He didn't put tariffs on Apple and it's iPhone. He did a special carve out for them.

Why did Trump put tariffs on most importers of Chinese goods and not Apple?

What is your answer on this?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

china has dumped cheap shite and caused us loss of jobs.

A loss of one time of job that is out-dated for our economy, while allowing surplus spending to create all sorts of jobs that are more efficient and appropriate for our advanced economy.

Do you honestly think all of those savings don't translate to jobs?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5966 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 7:00 pm to
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Sowell is wrong on this one …again I like him as well but he is just wrong here




It is not just Sowell. There are "zero" modern economists who advocate the use of tariffs. None.

Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 7:00 pm to
quote:

trump exposed how canada was fricking us on tariffs as well as europe and of course china.


Yes he did. But we still have to manage the unions that love taking advantage of their members.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 7:07 pm to
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It is not just Sowell. There are "zero" modern economists who advocate the use of tariffs. None.


Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

There are "zero" modern economists who advocate the use of tariffs. None.





well then you text them and tell them to go tell that to canada, europe and chyna for their tariffs.
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