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re: Louisiana has secured supply of lethal injection drug, corrections official says

Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:44 pm to
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Innocent people also get executed
Terrible that that has happened. But executions for those correctly convicted at still justice for the public.

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He was released on parole in November 2021 at the age of 75 after spending nearly 58 years in prison.

He has not reoffended since his release.
Not offending again after the age of 75 is not terribly impressive. Plus he killed the officer. His getting out is not justice
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36959 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:46 pm to
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I wonder why they just can’t use fentanyl?


I wonder the same thing.

A. Fentanyl is so deadly if you touch it without gloves you may die and we are overrun with it.

B. We can't find any drugs to execute prisoners on death row.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58543 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:49 pm to
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1. Improving the quality of life of their constituents.



How is that a politicians responsibility and not the individual?

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2. Modeling good citizenship by operating with integrity and transparency


Ageed

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3. Cultivating a culture of cooperation and unity


This is a meaningless platitude.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
18554 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:49 pm to
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Who do I advocate for? When I say that the government should not be able to execute its citizens, which of your personal emotions do you inject into those words?


Don't play stupid. Everytime a state takes an action against a prisoner you are on here pouting about it. You have grumbled about them actually having to perform work. You have grumbled about the conditions, you have grumbled about, well in this thread as well, prison violence.

Here is the person you are now sad that will be executed. Todd Wessinger. What did ole Todd get in a bit of a rascality over one night? Well ole Todd shot three people, killing David Breakwell and Stephanie Guzzardo, at a Baton Rouge restaurant.

Here is a picture of Stephanie Guzzardo. Burn it into your brain:


You know what she didn't get? Multiple appeals. More time.

Here is a take from the victim's family. Since I'm sure you haven't considered their take on it.

Here is a published take from the father of that victim. Read this too, since I'm sure you haven't considered their take.

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My daughter, Stephanie Guzzardo, was cornered in a 6-by-6 foot office. She was on the phone with 911 after hearing one of her employees being shot in the back and left for dead on the floor just outside the office door. Wessinger went into her office and demanded money. After she had given him the money, and while she begged for her life, he shot and killed her. The last few minutes of her precious life were terrifying. On his way out, he shot and killed another employee.

He was found guilty and sentenced to death.

For 21 years, appeals have gone before appellate courts, the Louisiana Supreme Court and all the way to the United States Supreme Court. The Supreme Court reviewed all appeals and ruled eight to one against Wessinger, upholding his conviction and death sentence.

Gov. John Bel Edwards has turned his back on our daughter and has done all that he can to stop the execution. He has voluntarily placed a moratorium on the death penalty until July 2019.

Edwards states that we cannot get the drug necessary to carry out the execution. Texas, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, Ohio and Virginia have all found a substitute. I don’t know where our governor or the head of the Department of Corrections, James Leblanc, stand on the intelligence scale, but surely they aren’t completely outclassed by the leaders of all those states. No, I suspect a lack of zeal for carrying out the laws of the state of Louisiana.

would never want a person executed if the evidence was questionable. Time after time, Wessinger was proven guilty, through every appeal, over and over and over and beyond any doubt — for more than 20 years.

Edwards ran on the platform of transparency and justice. Where is our daughter’s justice?

Answer one simple question, Governor: Are you for or are you against the death penalty? You have been asked several times and can’t bring yourself to answer yes or no.

I have never met or communicated with Attorney General Jeff Landry, but I certainly appreciated him calling the governor out on behalf of all the victims of the men on death row. Looks like the attorney general is the one concerned with justice, the law, and what’s right for those who can no longer speak for themselves.


NOLA.com

Todd got over a quarter century to beg for his life. Stephane got a couple seconds. Ole Todd got multiple appeals over many years and was denied. Stephanie got one, for a few seconds, and was denied.

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What does this have to do with me or anything I've said?


Ummmm.. you asked what victims I advocate for. I just gave you an answer. Question -> Answer.

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I did advocate for limited government power there, too. I'm pretty consistent.


Lucky for you, the judicial branch of state government does to. What's the status of that litigation to this point?

And it's pure irony in its purest form you are complaining about the dollar amount spent for maintaining capital punishment in the state of LA... and it's costs close to the same that the city of New Orleans is eliminating, per the mayor, in the next fiscal cycle from the elimination of that office you were on here wanting to remain.
This post was edited on 10/30/26 at 1:07 pm
Posted by BrianKellysbuyout
Member since Nov 2025
2744 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:51 pm to
Time to ramp up the executions. Louisiana should do one a month.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58543 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:55 pm to
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And it's pure irony in its purest form you are complaining about the dollar amount spent for maintaining capital punishment in the state of LA... and it's costs close to the same that the city of New Orleans is eliminating, per the mayor, in the next fiscal cycle from the elimination of that office you were on here wanting to remain.


No, it's hypocrisy. Just like how she is an advocate for food stamps, welfare, and school provided meals when school is not in session. Nevermind the double dip with food stamps and welfare.

So, if you ask her, "so you do care about wasteful taxpayer spending", and you bring up her hypocrisy, the reply is then, "no not THAT taxpayer spending".
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
64184 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:13 pm to
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How is that a politicians responsibility and not the individual?

What are politicians responsible for if not serving their constituents? Enriching themselves only?

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This is a meaningless platitude.

So is, to quote the governor, "New Orleans thinks they're so special."
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
75985 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:14 pm to
Your mind is so broken
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
126711 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:15 pm to
Sorry about your future dead murderers
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
18554 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:16 pm to
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I am waiting on the mental gymnastics to tell me how its racial or something.


Oh she absolutely ignores that question. It's way too inconvenient. It's been asked in several other of her threads and she acts like it's not there.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58543 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:19 pm to
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What are politicians responsible for if not serving their constituents? Enriching themselves only?


Representing the people. Meaning, you vote for what i tell you to vote for. But, more importantly, their job should be figuring out how to remove as much government from the United States citizen. Not, how to create programs that cost tax payer dollars, that creates more bureacracy in the name of "making your life better." Has a politician ever made your life better, or have you been the one responsible for that?

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So is, to quote the governor, "New Orleans thinks they're so special."


mmmk....what does that have to do with the subject matter?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
64184 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:28 pm to
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Not offending again after the age of 75 is not terribly impressive. Plus he killed the officer. His getting out is not justice

Is the only way to achieve justice through execution?

Justice is such a tricky word and concept. Seems like it has a fluid definition depending on circumstances, which, ironically, seem to contradict the notion of justice as fairness. Does justice equate to consequences? Does it equate to an-eye-for-an-eye revenge? Does it mean undoing or remedying a harm? Some of these things simply cannot be done. A person killed by a drunk driver or murdered in cold blood cannot be made whole again. Nothing can bring that person back. Their families will never be made whole again. Period. Would justice look like preventing that person from committing future harm? That's what incarceration accomplishes, either permanently through LWOP or temporarily through sentences. Restitution can make some who suffered property damage whole again, but it still doesn't undo the crime or damage done.

I have done a ton of reading about various theories of justice and have spent considerable time thinking and writing about justice. I don't think criminal justice exists in the way we want it to exist. I don't think there is a way to achieve justice once a heinous crime has been committed. The toothpaste can not be put back into the tube.

I do think there are ways to achieve a just society, or just government, though.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
64184 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:35 pm to
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Don't play stupid. Everytime a state takes an action against a prisoner you are on here pouting about it.

People convicted of crimes are sentenced across the state all day every day. How often to post about them? Inmates are injured in jails and prisons across the state probably every single day. How often do I post about that?

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Ummmm.. you asked what victims I advocate for. I just gave you an answer. Question -> Answer.

Yes, you realized that you don't actually do what you claimed to do so you did a quick Google search and copy and pasted information about someone you didn't even know existed prior to Googling in your gotcha attempt. Good job. You clearly sincerely care about Stephanie. Your virtuousness has been signaled.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
64184 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:39 pm to
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So, if you ask her, "so you do care about wasteful taxpayer spending", and you bring up her hypocrisy, the reply is then, "no not THAT taxpayer spending".

Likewise you only care about punishing people through incarceration or execution. You are pro-life if being pro-life means incarcerating people who seek or perform abortions. You are not pro-life if it means actually sustaining life. You want to judge and punish people while patting yourself on the back. That's literally what virtue signaling is.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
18554 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:42 pm to
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I have done a ton of reading about various theories of justice and have spent considerable time thinking and writing about justice. I don't think criminal justice exists in the way we want it to exist


Thanks for your input on your thought and writing.. but I hold philosophers and famous thinkers such as Thomas Hobbes, Aristotle, John Locke, John Stuart Mill, Immanuel Kant, Plato, Thomas Aquinas, etc in higher regard.

K thanks.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
64184 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:43 pm to
Thank you for your lack of input, thought and writing?
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
37249 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:44 pm to
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Likewise you only care about punishing people through incarceration or execution


You certainly are entitled to be against the death penalty. But your comment gives me pause. Certainly if someone commits a crime,especially a violent one you wouldn't be against incarceration/jail time would you?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58543 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:47 pm to
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Likewise you only care about punishing people through incarceration or execution.


If you break the laws we as society have all agreed to follow, and the penalty of that crime has been established by law, and a jury of your peers have found you guilty of committing the crime, and if the severity is so extreme that a jury or judge deems that person not eligible to longer be a part of a civilization comprised of good honest people, then you are correct.

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You are pro-life if being pro-life means incarcerating people who seek or perform abortions.


I'm pro-life. But more specifically, i'm pro INNOCENT life. I will not stand up for violent felons. I will stand up for the unborn, babies, children, women, those that can't defend themselves and all victims of violent crime. The older i get, the less adamant i am about execution. My current sentiment, is that if the consequences established by laws lead to execution, then don't commit the crime. And let the courts sort it out.

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You want to judge and punish people while patting yourself on the back.


I am not judging anyone. And i don't pat myself on the back for standing up for something that every decent good person should stand up for. If that makes you question your own decency, then that is between you and God.

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That's literally what virtue signaling is.


K, but i'm not virtue signaling. Not once have i stated my virtues. You, however, have done a whole lot of assuming because my post angered you.

It's funny, your entire response has nothing to do with my response. You are rage posting. You probably should calm down.
This post was edited on 10/30/26 at 1:49 pm
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
18554 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:48 pm to
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People convicted of crimes are sentenced across the state all day every day. How often to post about them? Inmates are injured in jails and prisons across the state probably every single day. How often do I post about that?


Every time you find an article on it apparently. And then you run your gambit of deflection, red herrings, claimed ignorance, and ignoring of inconvenient replies.

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Yes, you realized that you don't actually do what you claimed to do so you did a quick Google search and copy and pasted information about someone you didn't even know existed prior to Googling in your gotcha attempt. Good job. You clearly sincerely care about Stephanie. Your virtuousness has been signaled.


If "I didn't do what I claimed", I would have done nothing.

And you missed a TON of that post in this absolutely PATHETIC attempt at a reply. And it completely proves everyone's point. You hold victims as secondary in your quest for the plight of prisoners.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
6348 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:49 pm to
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Interesting. Why? What benefit does killing an inmate provide?


It completes the judicial process. The inmate was sentenced to death, so the jail system must follow the judge's orders.

Your issue is with the judge, not the corrections official.
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