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re: Libertarian presidential candidate Jo Jorgensen's platform is VERY appealing.

Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:09 am to
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:09 am to
She loses me on the last one. Prostitution is many, many times not a victimless crime. Spend some time working with an anti-human trafficking group and get back to me on how harmless prostitution and porn are.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
3791 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:16 am to
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She loses me on the last one. Prostitution is many, many times not a victimless crime. Spend some time working with an anti-human trafficking group and get back to me on how harmless prostitution and porn are.


Prostitution is voluntary. Or at least it would be as defined by the libertarian policy.

Human trafficking is involuntary.

Do you not see the difference?

This is actually one instance in which libertarianism works and is sensible.
Posted by Riggle
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:18 am to
Our system ensures she won't get elected. Two party structure is broken and hurts democracy.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:21 am to
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Prostitution is voluntary. Or at least it would be as defined by the libertarian policy.



You can't define away well over 1/2 of the women working in prostitution being victims of human trafficking and not there voluntarily.

Just because libertarians say "it is a voluntary transaction" doesn't make it so.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
3791 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:22 am to
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You can't define away well over 1/2 of the women working in prostitution being victims of human trafficking and not there voluntarily.

Just because libertarians say "it is a voluntary transaction" doesn't make it so.


No, the part that would become legal would be the voluntary transactions.

Involuntary prostitution would still be kidnapping and slavery.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:26 am to
Just what this country needs Right now. Legal prostitution!

This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 8:27 am
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:35 am to
Imagine being an adult and being a libertarian

Just lol. May as well pretend a dragon is running for President
Posted by walley tux
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:41 am to
why do you stupid libtardtarians leave off her support for completely open borders and open immigration to the entire world

que?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:52 am to
I totally disagree with tariffs. Matter of fact, something she doesn’t mention is the IRS, and that’s what is keeping all of this crap afloat. It’s a critical element of big government, Corporatism, and something tariffs can remedy while also keeping this country from having to compete with third world markets and jobs and industry in this country evaporating. Free trade does not benefit me one bit. Fair trade does, and it helps to promote capitalism in this country, which is the only thing I give a shite about.

I like everything else just fine, but the simple fact of the matter is that we need industry and jobs for people who are geared for production, manufacturing, and the like, and we need to start making things in America again. The world can do what the world wants to do. I care about the health of this country, and if you want to get rid of crime, then eliminate the welfare state, bring industry back to this country, and employ people who are geared to produce and make things,

You’re never going to compete with third world sweat shops unless you want to become a third world sweat shop yourself with free trade as it’s been, and you’ll never have jobs for these people back in this country when American companies go overseas to produce it, ship it back, and sell it to you cheaper than you can do in your own country, but if tariffs are in place to keep things honest, then this rights itself. Industry returns, jobs return, wealth returns, capitalism is enjoyed by many many more than simply the corporatists, and the political corruption in Washington that benefits from all of this crap as well as the bankers and investors have to suck it, and well they should.


Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:52 am to
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think a very, very limited legal immigration system is to be preferred, up until the point that there is a labor shortage.

we had a big skilled labor shortage this is why the unemployment rates was previously so low and immigration was being requested by tech comapnies.

i dont know if its true right now due to covid but tech isnt even laying off as many as most so i imagine we will return to in need to technologist again quickly



Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26206 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 8:54 am to
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If Jo can get into the debates,


Lol. Zero chance
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:02 am to
bring home troops - naive and stupid
eliminate tariffs - ok ib. another stupid idea
i'd be curious to know exactly what she means by "reform" immigration and end the drug war
end the atf? does she even know what all they do? they aren't merely responsible for firearms

independent candidates are a great idea but don't have the political capital to get things done. brute fact. trump was about as independent as it gets because he was not tied to the establishment and had a very recognizable, strong brand. i.e. he didn't need them so he didn't have to capitulate to them
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
41109 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:19 am to
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why do you stupid libtardtarians leave off her support for completely open borders and open immigration to the entire world



Why do you stupid Republicans leave out the part where she ends the Welfare State and the War on Drugs thus decreasing the immigration flow? Oh that’s right, Republicans are just for more big gov’t like their Democratic counterparts.

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58671 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:26 am to
Immigration reform for libertarians = open borders.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:34 am to
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Cute, you think I’m talking about parties and not ideologies




The UniParty® is an ideology: corporatism.
Posted by lionward2014
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Member since Jul 2015
11705 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:35 am to
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Don't need any dumbass Libertarians siphoning off votes this year


God forbid people think on their own, and choose to vote for someone with the most similar ideas as they have.

This country is so fricked because the vast majority only care about the letter behind the person’s name and if they can throw out gotchas against the other side, ideas and policy be damned.

What the last four months have shown me is the Republican Party are just as shitty as the Democrats, but at least the Democrats will literally burn things down to get their communists ideas implemented while the Republicans sit there and take it.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 9:37 am
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:37 am to
Same platform as Trump. No thanks.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:39 am to
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The US military disagrees.


Well, that has been settled. The “U.S. Military” has spoken on the matter and thus shall it be.

Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5007 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:39 am to
A lot of her platform is good. But everybody must realize voting for her is a wasted vote. She has no chance of winning. This is between Biden and Trump.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:41 am to
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everyone was armed.


A well-armed society is a well-behaved society.
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