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re: Libertarian presidential candidate Jo Jorgensen's platform is VERY appealing.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:49 am to GEAUXmedic
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:49 am to GEAUXmedic
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Eliminate trade barriers and tariffs
Nah frick that, America first
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Reform immigration
Questionably vague
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Eliminate victimless crime
Also questionably vague. Is attempted murder a victimless crime if no one ends up harmed physically? Is drunk driving a victimless crime if the driver doesn’t get in an accident?
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Legalize prostitution
Basically legalizing sex slavery
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:50 am to Magician2
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I agre with literally her entire platform. But her immigration plan is complete open borders.
As a libertarian, open borders is an absolute deal-breaker for me. When the LP named the gun-grabbing Statist Bill Weld to the ticket in 2016, it was obvious to me that it exists solely as a form of controlled opposition.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:51 am to wackatimesthree
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Prostitution is voluntary. Or at least it would be as defined by the libertarian policy.
Human trafficking is involuntary.
Do you not see the difference?
This is actually one instance in which libertarianism works and is sensible.
So the libertarian is going to regulate prostitution and enforce laws on it to make sure there is no sex trafficking? Doubtful
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:56 am to Aubie Spr96
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Why do you stupid Republicans leave out the part where she ends the Welfare State and the War on Drugs thus decreasing the immigration flow? Oh that’s right, Republicans are just for more big gov’t like their Democratic counterparts.
because that's never going to happen.
there are over 400,000 elected offices in the united states, 55 are held by libtardtarians, would you like to know why?
it's not because of "muh system man!" it's because no one wants to live in the lawless schithole your nirvana would end up being.
we need to stop giving you nut jobs automatic ballot access, you haven't earned it.
all you do is muddy the water and elect democrats, win a congressional district and we'll talk.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 11:40 am to Upperdecker
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So the libertarian is going to regulate prostitution and enforce laws on it to make sure there is no sex trafficking?
The LP’s nominee for president should not be wasting any energy on such a peripheral issue that rightly should be decided by the individual states. Though I would agree in principle with the Libertarian Party’s position on prostitution, it is none of the Federal government’s damn business on the issue either way.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/5/20 at 11:45 am to walley tux
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no one wants to live in the lawless schithole
Are you sure about that? It appears that a good portion of Seattle residents appear to be seeking such a society. Be that as it may, a lawless society is anarchy, not libertarianism.
This post was edited on 7/5/20 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/5/20 at 12:36 pm to GEAUXmedic
why does she smear vasoline on her face? she shines better then maguires or turtle wax
Posted on 7/5/20 at 1:01 pm to Toomer Deplorable
A libertarian society is not a lawless society. Sure there are less laws, do we really need all the laws and regulations we have now? I'd put a number of laws up, but wait, nobody can quantify how many laws and regulations (that are treated like laws) exist!
Open boarders is just an end of prohibition on the importation of labor. One thing people generally agree on is that prohibition is something the government fails at miserably. We will be much better off knowing who we let in the country than have them coming across the border unknown.
This issue is the same with abortion. The libertarian party is not pro abortion, but many realize that the government cannot effectively prohibit abortion. It is better to keep it in the light than to move it to a black market. No president, congress or politician will ever end the abortion issue. It is like trying to stop teen sex... people have been trying to stop that since recorded history started.
When taking a libertarian position you have to respect the rights of others, and not necessarily agree with them, but allow them to have their freedoms that you don't agree with so you can have your freedoms that others might not agree with. The best way to sum up what I envision as the libertarian ideal is "All the freedom all of the time for all of the people all of the time" even if you don't agree with all of the people.
My vote will not be wasted. A vote for Jo is not a vote for Biden nor a vote for Trump. I honestly see very little difference between the two and their parties. They are both wings from the same bird. Republicans would have to bring back Calvin Coolidge for me to consider voting Republican.
The fight is no longer "Right" vs "Left". We have been forced to a position of Authoritarian vs Freedom. I am voting freedom.
Open boarders is just an end of prohibition on the importation of labor. One thing people generally agree on is that prohibition is something the government fails at miserably. We will be much better off knowing who we let in the country than have them coming across the border unknown.
This issue is the same with abortion. The libertarian party is not pro abortion, but many realize that the government cannot effectively prohibit abortion. It is better to keep it in the light than to move it to a black market. No president, congress or politician will ever end the abortion issue. It is like trying to stop teen sex... people have been trying to stop that since recorded history started.
When taking a libertarian position you have to respect the rights of others, and not necessarily agree with them, but allow them to have their freedoms that you don't agree with so you can have your freedoms that others might not agree with. The best way to sum up what I envision as the libertarian ideal is "All the freedom all of the time for all of the people all of the time" even if you don't agree with all of the people.
My vote will not be wasted. A vote for Jo is not a vote for Biden nor a vote for Trump. I honestly see very little difference between the two and their parties. They are both wings from the same bird. Republicans would have to bring back Calvin Coolidge for me to consider voting Republican.
The fight is no longer "Right" vs "Left". We have been forced to a position of Authoritarian vs Freedom. I am voting freedom.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 1:28 pm to Tunasntigers92
She's somehow a small government globalist. She didn't win her party's vote, and barely beat out a guy by the name of Vermin Supreme. I'll pass.
Not to mention that she'd never be able to enact anything in her platform.
Not to mention that she'd never be able to enact anything in her platform.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 1:35 pm to GEAUXmedic
Posted on 7/5/20 at 1:38 pm to armsdealer
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The best way to sum up what I envision as the libertarian ideal is "All the freedom all of the time for all of the people all of the time" even if you don't agree with all of the people.
This is why libertarianism is just as extreme as socialism. The world and people are not altruistic. The idea of negative rights is something that I agree with, but it's only practical if everyone agrees. When not everyone agrees then those rights shift to positive rights and you get enforcement, regulation, and laws.
I'll let Trump sum up pure libertarianism...
Posted on 7/5/20 at 1:51 pm to walley tux
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because that's never going to happen.
Not voting for Rs and Ds it won’t. Gotta keep the nanny state going to keep the populace under control. At some point, you will run out of Federal Reserve currency. Just like socialism, it’s going to bankrupt itself. It’s amazing people think it’s sustainable.
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would you like to know why?
Because most Americans are scared of freedom. They are more interested in forcing their neighbor into compliance with whatever world view is popular at the moment. Current events exemplify this.
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win a congressional district and we'll talk.
Justin Amash is now a registered Libertarian. Ron Paul was as well. His son Rand is as close to a Libertarian as you will find. Anything else?
Posted on 7/5/20 at 2:27 pm to GEAUXmedic
God help us
Will steal from Trump
That’s Libertarian gameplan
Will steal from Trump
That’s Libertarian gameplan
Posted on 7/5/20 at 2:32 pm to WildManGoose
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This is why libertarianism is just as extreme as socialism.
Locking a sentient adult into a cage simply because they choose to use an illicit drug is as “extreme” a political position as any mentioned in this thread.
N.B. I don’t use illicit drugs nor do I advocate their use.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 2:33 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Justin Amash is now a registered Libertarian. Ron Paul was as well. His son Rand is as close to a Libertarian as you will find. Anything else?
justin amash was elected as a republican and was bought and paid for by china, rand has never identified as a libtardtarian, and ron always ran for congress as a republican.
all you retards have ever been is dems in sheeps clothing siphoning votes away from republicans to elect democrats.
now shut up and smoke your dope that's all you goof balls really care about.
Posted on 7/5/20 at 2:46 pm to walley tux
quote:Have you seen the news where there have been riots in all kinds of cities lately? Was that because of a libertarian-controlled government?
it's not because of "muh system man!" it's because no one wants to live in the lawless schithole your nirvana would end up being.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 6:10 am to wackatimesthree
How exactly are “they” going to be able to distinguish the true voluntary from the voluntary because my pimp will beat me and my friends to near death if I don’t say I’m ok? How are they going to tell which Chinese sex worker has family being held as leverage?
Forget even about the women working that industry that were trafficked around privately for years as minors and then get dumped in a city and fee so low and dirty the only option they feel they have is to turn tricks.
Forget even about the women working that industry that were trafficked around privately for years as minors and then get dumped in a city and fee so low and dirty the only option they feel they have is to turn tricks.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 6:15 am to GEAUXmedic
Might as well vote for Biden because that’s what 3rd party votes amount to...
Posted on 7/6/20 at 6:20 am to Upperdecker
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So the libertarian is going to regulate prostitution and enforce laws on it to make sure there is no sex trafficking? Doubtful
LOL.
Yeah. That's exactly what they would do. In fact, that's the whole point. Libertarians are just fine with enforcing laws against kidnapping and slavery.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 6:21 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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How exactly are “they” going to be able to distinguish the true voluntary from the voluntary because my pimp will beat me and my friends to near death if I don’t say I’m ok? How are they going to tell which Chinese sex worker has family being held as leverage?
I suspect the same way that's done now.
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