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Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:38 pm to GEAUXmedic
As I've said time and time again, if the Libertarian platform on trade and immigration was enacted, we wouldn't have a country in 10 years...
So easy pass for me.
Plus I couldn't vote for anyone who is pro-abortion.
So easy pass for me.
Plus I couldn't vote for anyone who is pro-abortion.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:39 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Why though? I keep hearing people say this but nobody gives any details on why.
I did above. IMO it's usually two things that keep libertarian solutions from being viable:
1. They ignore the scope of the problems that their (anti) solutions are designed to fix
2. They ignore the global interdependence piece of the puzzle
For example, above I talked about the fact that we live in a global market in which you have hundreds of economic systems, all of which are less developed than ours, and almost all of which are far less developed than ours. If you throw open the gates and we have completely open borders, which way do you think the water is going to flow to seek it's own level when we're basically at the top of the hill?
I'll give you another example that I mentioned above—abolishing the welfare state.
Jordan Peterson has a video or two floating around on YouTube wherein he uses a simple IQ bell curve to illustrate just how many people in America do not have the intellectual capacity to get and keep just about any job. The US military has conducted research to determine at what IQ a person is basically unemployable, and Peterson uses the bell curve to come up with a number. The number is in the tens of millions of Americans.
Not to mention, there aren't enough jobs for all the people who want to work even with all the people on welfare.
And we're talking about 64,000,000 or so Americans on Medicaid. Not Medicare. Medicaid. The one for poor people.
21% of Americans participate in at least one assistance program. 18% are on food stamps at some point in their lives.
Imagine all of those people, tens of millions of whom are intellectually incapable of working and tens of millions more who would not be able to find jobs if they tried, because there aren't enough jobs.
Take a look around at the looting and rioting going on, and imagine that's just standard operating procedure under a libertarian regime.
Yeah, they'd arrest them. And so we'd simply pay for them to be locked up rather than receiving welfare. Nothing gained.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:40 pm to G The Tiger Fan
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Well, I guess a century of nothing but Libertarian presidents and a Libertarian-controlled Congress really backfired on us.
Yeah, no kidding.
It wasn’t the UniParty’s bipartisan support for endless welfare, unlimited bailouts and perpetual war that has destroyed this nation — it was those “long haired libertarians — smelling like incense and patchouli oil!”
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:41 pm to kingbob
There aren’t enough of us. No one cares about us. And we won’t do the things necessary because we are pussies compared to our forefathers.
They fricking shot the British for a $8/pound tax on TEA.
They fricking shot the British for a $8/pound tax on TEA.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:41 pm to troyt37
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Eliminate trade barriers and tariffs. Right, unilaterally dropping all protections for US producers, farmers, and manufacturers will certainly cause the rest of the world to do the same, right? Right?
Seriously. What a horrendously bad policy position. As if it hadn’t been proven enough how badly the US is lacking in domestic manufacturing.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:42 pm to kingbob
I agree that we have too many laws and regulations, but the world is different than it was in 1907. There are a hell of a lot more people in it, for one, and technology and transportation advances since then make it mush smaller as well.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:43 pm to wackatimesthree
Without welfare, you’d be shocked at how many jobs suddenly find a way to be created. There is not one single person in this nation who is truly useless. When people have to find a use or starve to death, they will do just that. People aren’t useless because they’re “too dumb” to work. They’re useless because we’re dumb enough to pay them not to work.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:44 pm to kingbob
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There is not one single person in this nation who is truly useless.
The US military disagrees.
And their opinion is based on research, not armchair quarterbacking.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:47 pm to wackatimesthree
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Take a look around at the looting and rioting going on, and imagine that's just standard operating procedure under a libertarian regime.
What makes you think this would be standard operating procedure? Libertarians do believe in basic government services to protect private property (police, criminal courts, civil courts, fire protection, etc.) and support individual rights to defend their property. The cities that are lawless are ones where the government has largely disarmed its citizens and ordered their police departments not to intervene in the rioting. A libertarian government would do neither.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:48 pm to GEAUXmedic
I wonder if she believes in factor price equaluzation .
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:48 pm to wackatimesthree
If they are truly useless, they will starve to death, be killed when trying to steal from property owners, or at least won’t be paid to breed more useless folks.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:49 pm to kingbob
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Without welfare, you’d be shocked at how many jobs suddenly find a way to be created
So tens of millions of people currently on welfare would just create their own jobs?
That's a lot of lemonade stands, dude.
They'd create their own jobs, all right. But those jobs wouldn't be legal.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:50 pm to Tiguar
Speak for yourself. The black pill is no way to live.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:50 pm to kingbob
Why do you think communists hate fascists with a burning passion?
Why do you think they named their gay arse LARP group ANTIFA and not ANTILI?
They’re both socialists at heart. Why the hate?
Why do you think they named their gay arse LARP group ANTIFA and not ANTILI?
They’re both socialists at heart. Why the hate?
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:51 pm to kingbob
The rioting and looting would be SOP, not the government's response to it.
Like I said, we wouldn't save a dime under that governance b/c we'd just pay to feed, house, and clothe the same people in prison.
Like I said, we wouldn't save a dime under that governance b/c we'd just pay to feed, house, and clothe the same people in prison.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:52 pm to wackatimesthree
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o tens of millions of people currently on welfare would just create their own jobs?
Yep, because when people are forced to decide between starvation and innovation, the overwhelming majority find a way to be fed. Everywhere welfare is reduced, a sudden decrease in unemployment and massive increase in the number of jobs magically appears. That’s because we pay people not to work, and then are surprised when they don’t work. When you stop paying them to not work, they start finding work to do to get paid. Eventually, an equilibrium is always found because that’s how capitalism works in a relatively free market.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:53 pm to kingbob
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Open borders is the optimum policy in the absence of a welfare state
Open borders is never the optimum policy.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:53 pm to kingbob
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If they are truly useless, they will starve to death, be killed when trying to steal from property owners,
Maybe eventually. No telling how many people they'll hurt or kill first, though.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:54 pm to kingbob
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. Everywhere welfare is reduced, a sudden decrease in unemployment and massive increase in the number of jobs magically appears.
Then you'll find it easy to substantiate that claim with a link.
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