re: It's all about the Strait of Hormuz and Iran selling oil

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How about, I just don't care about the Straight of Hormuz.

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If the strait remains closed 20% of the global oil and fertilizer supply stops.

That means a 20% reduction or more in economic output.

That means 20% less food.

We’re talking global depression and famine.

And you still haven’t explained how continuing the conflict helps me, you, the US nationally or the globe.

It was a bad gamble, it didn’t work and now we need to find a way out so we can get back to the 2024 platform Trump was elected to pursue.

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USA will completely obliterate the Iranian coast (up to 30 miles inland) along the entire Strait and level Kharg Island.

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Why do boomers think we have the ordinance to do this. What fricking insane world view was taught to you in the 60's?


Delusional

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If the strait remains closed 20% of the global oil and fertilizer supply stops.

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Yesterday's reported drone attacks near the Suez Canal demonstrate how this conflict could expand beyond direct military engagements. The six-day blockage of the Suez Canal in 2021, caused by the Ever Given, delayed hundreds of ships and was estimated to disrupt roughly $50 billion in global trade, illustrating the vulnerability of one of the world's most important maritime chokepoints.

Facts

1) Despite extensive U.S. and international sanctions, Iran has continued to acquire military technology and intelligence through a combination of domestic production, strategic partnerships, and procurement networks involving countries such as Russia, China, and North Korea. Iran also uses alternative financial systems, including intermediaries and cryptocurrency, to reduce its dependence on the traditional banking system. Its trade flows through both maritime routes and overland corridors across neighboring countries and Central Asia, making complete economic isolation impossible.

2) Iran has invested heavily in hardened underground missile bases, command centers, and weapons storage facilities designed to survive conventional air strikes. These facilities, combined with dispersed launch sites and extensive tunnel networks along portions of its coastline, complicate efforts to eliminate Iran's military capabilities. Even after significant strikes, mobile missile launchers and small anti-ship teams can continue to pose a threat to commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.

3) Iran has spent decades developing electronic warfare, cyber capabilities, camouflage, concealment, deception, and operational security to complicate intelligence collection and targeting. Equipment can be dispersed, relocated, or hidden, making it difficult for the US to determine the full extent of military damage.

Any conflict with Iran should NOT be viewed as a simple or short campaign but as one against a state that has spent decades preparing for asymmetric warfare and prolonged resistance. They not only have the resources to continue this conflict for decades but in fact escalate it. Any belief that these are 'sand people' who will give up when we kill their camels is extremely naive and dangerous.

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It's all about the Strait of Hormuz and Iran selling oil

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No, it's all about China

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elucidate

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Down voted just for using a $2 word when a cheaper word would have worked just as well...

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No, it's all about China

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Saying the war is “all about China” is a slogan, not an argument, and definitely not a coherent strategy. What specific objective makes China the primary cause rather than a secondary strategic consideration?

Would the United States and Israel still have major conflicts with Iran if China disappeared tomorrow? Obviously. Iran’s nuclear program, missile forces, regional proxies, attacks on American personnel, threats against Israel and leverage over the Strait of Hormuz would all remain.

Now reverse the question: would we be fighting Iran merely because it sells discounted oil to China, absent the above conflicts? Certainly not. That tells you which issues are causal and which are background factors.

There is also the obvious contradiction of, if this is primarily about China, why choose a strategy that drains American missiles, air defenses, naval assets and political attention away from the Pacific? Why disrupt Gulf energy markets that supply not only China, but Japan, South Korea, India, Europe and American consumers? That is an extraordinarily indirect and self-damaging way to confront Beijing.

The stronger explanation is that the war is directly about Iran while China affects the broader strategic stakes. That is true of nearly every major geopolitical move we make. It does not make the war “all about China.”

I’m sure the IRGC will take it under advisement. lol…

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But if missiles rain down on ME capitals and Saudi oil infrastructure in response where do we go from there?

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Honestly, is this the world you want to live in, allowing the world's economy to be under constant threat from the extremism and terrorism of the Iranian hardliners? Every country around them is under threat as is the global economy, based upon the whims of these radicals. It has to be eliminated. Somehow.

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I appreciate Trump's attempts to do a deal and avoid what's got to happen

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What’s got to happen?

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Time to lay waste to everything in that country till they unconditionally surrender. And I'm not opposed to using nukes to do it if we have to.

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Wait, this?