- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: It's all about the Strait of Hormuz and Iran selling oil
Posted on 7/30/26 at 9:54 pm to tide06
Posted on 7/30/26 at 9:54 pm to tide06
quote:
And you still haven’t explained how continuing the conflict helps me, you, the US nationally or the globe.
It was a bad gamble, it didn’t work and now we need to find a way out so we can get back to the 2024 platform Trump was elected to pursue.
We are on the same page. I don't want to spend money and lose lives over middle east nonsense. Republicans were doing so good and had so much moment and support amongst young people, but somehow they got re-captured by the NeoCons.
2
Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:57 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
And what if that doesn't work?
Work?
Work what? Kill the Iranian regime's power? Yeah. It would. Spin off about a thousand possible timelines that end in world wide nuclear war? Yeah it could work that one too. Or it could just end it and everyone sits on their hands hoping not to be the one's to provoke their own doom.
I guess we're about to find out if things don't get real serious for the Iranians real soon.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:05 pm to Captain Rumbeard
quote:
Work what? Kill the Iranian regime's power? Yeah. It would.
You really aren't considering the externalities. Or all the reasons why the Israeli's won't do it.
quote:
Spin off about a thousand possible timelines that end in world wide nuclear war? Yeah it could work that one too. Or it could just end it and everyone sits on their hands hoping not to be the one's to provoke their own doom.
Truly some deep thoughts here.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:07 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:
Honestly, is this the world you want to live in, allowing the world's economy to be under constant threat from the extremism and terrorism of the Iranian hardliners? Every country around them is under threat as is the global economy, based upon the whims of these radicals. It has to be eliminated. Somehow.
What you fail to recognize is this is there retaliation leverage
These retaliations weren't a thing while they weren't being attacked
We pushed them to this
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:08 pm to tigrewoulds21
It’s a damn shame, there was so much promise early on.
Now it’s like watching a sailboat in a storm lose its sail and be stuck motionless with waves crashing all around or something.
Now it’s like watching a sailboat in a storm lose its sail and be stuck motionless with waves crashing all around or something.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:15 pm to davyjones
quote:this would be a good long-term play here. definitely not shortsighted.
Are you not aware of our arming “guerrillas” against their nation’s government in more than one instance, we’ll say since WWII?
I can't see how it would backfire in the longterm.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:16 pm to tide06
Trump's instincts were right in his first term with regards to the ME. No one has time to care about religion when they can make money. The Iranians are the same way, given what they seem to demand in negotiations. Getting involved was pointless and derailed a lot of good work Trump did previously.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:17 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
this would be a good long-term play here. definitely not shortsighted.
I can't see how it would backfire in the longterm.
The NeoCon mantra has to be something along the lines of 'it didn't work then of course, but this next time, it might.'
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:34 pm to udtiger
People are really struggling with the fact that Trump ain’t wiggling his way out of this mistake. It’s been his great talent to always be doing but usually undoing just as often. He’s never been too much of an ideologue insofar if it isn’t working he can back out but spin it as a win. And frankly, reversing course sometimes is a strategic victory on the long view.
However, he’s found a scenario that he cannot back out and spin into a win. He’s either going to back out and create a new status quo that threatens the petrodollar OR he’s going to commit our war machine to atrocities required to bring ideologically committed people to their knees or just collapse their society.
There is no middle ground on the time scale of his presidency. Maybe in half a decade or more enough east to west pipeline network will exist to just avoid Yemen and Iran on trade waters altogether. However he won’t be around for that day.
However, he’s found a scenario that he cannot back out and spin into a win. He’s either going to back out and create a new status quo that threatens the petrodollar OR he’s going to commit our war machine to atrocities required to bring ideologically committed people to their knees or just collapse their society.
There is no middle ground on the time scale of his presidency. Maybe in half a decade or more enough east to west pipeline network will exist to just avoid Yemen and Iran on trade waters altogether. However he won’t be around for that day.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:35 pm to crazy4lsu
Hey, if we're talking about scenarios for how this is going to go, it's pretty much wide open except for the ones that depended on the Iranians having a functional military. Because they no longer do. They have a well built dispersed missile system in the mountans that hides the and protect them. They get blown up as they use them though so they're down to shooting a handful of missiles now and hoping for the best. Drones can come from anywhere though so those are going to work worldwide.
Expect those in the US soon.
But while that's really cinematic and will give the MSM the biggest boner they've had since Obama, it's not actually a tactical win. It degrades us only in one regard. Morale. And the MSM is on their side so it's going to be maginified.
If the people ever realize what's actually happening and who's against them this is gonna get sporty in the US. But in Iran, it's going to just be terrorism and a regime that eventually doesn't even exist on paper anymore. They'll become the Iranian equivalent o the KKK.
Expect those in the US soon.
But while that's really cinematic and will give the MSM the biggest boner they've had since Obama, it's not actually a tactical win. It degrades us only in one regard. Morale. And the MSM is on their side so it's going to be maginified.
If the people ever realize what's actually happening and who's against them this is gonna get sporty in the US. But in Iran, it's going to just be terrorism and a regime that eventually doesn't even exist on paper anymore. They'll become the Iranian equivalent o the KKK.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 1:02 am to Captain Rumbeard
quote:
I think Israel will nuke them themselves.
This would be bad for Israel also. Iran is 80x bigger than Israel’s with 90+ million people scattered. If Israel nukes Iran, Iran would retaliate with their larger ballistic missles(over 1000 kg)which they in the thousands. The amount of dead civilians resulting would be depressing and scary just to think about it.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 1:14 am to Captain Rumbeard
quote:
Hey, if we're talking about scenarios for how this is going to go, it's pretty much wide open except for the ones that depended on the Iranians having a functional military.
They haven't really relied on traditional military strength since the Iran-Iraq War. For example, in Syria, they almost exclusively relied on a young officer class in the IRGC, a few Iranian formations and then mostly proxy militias. None of those proxy militias have been disarmed. And our bombing campaign cleared out the old guard of the IRGC and the ones who will replace them cut their teeth in Syria and Iraq, where they honed their entire asymmetric approach to warfare. I'm sure you think not having a 'functional military' is evidence of US success, and in some ways it is, but they want the asymmetric war, as that is what they've been planning.
quote:
But while that's really cinematic and will give the MSM the biggest boner they've had since Obama, it's not actually a tactical win. It degrades us only in one regard. Morale. And the MSM is on their side so it's going to be maginified.
We have not been able to enforce our demands on the Iranians. What do you call that?
quote:
But in Iran, it's going to just be terrorism and a regime that eventually doesn't even exist on paper anymore. They'll become the Iranian equivalent o the KKK.
The regime, unfortunately, is a majoritarian institution, meaning that the group that stands to gain the most from its continued presence includes both the largest ethnic group in the country and the largest religious group in the country. Given how many people showed up to Khamenei's funeral, I think we should put to rest the notion that the regime isn't well-supported. It is. It has a wide base of support, certainly larger than any opposition group.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 4:21 am to Powerman
quote:They put themselves in this position by continuing to develop a nuclear device. If you make the assumption that it is true and their stated goal was the eventual destruction of Israel, then it became untenable.
We pushed them to this
Posted on 7/31/26 at 4:58 am to udtiger
quote:The only way we could do that is by using nuclear weapons.
otherwise the USA will completely obliterate the Iranian coast (up to 30 miles inland) along the entire Strait and level Kharg Island
Posted on 7/31/26 at 5:01 am to tigrewoulds21
quote:
I just don't care about the Straight of Hormuz. We have a ton of oil here. Sounds like a much bigger problem for Europe and the Arabs. Let them deal with it.
They can’t deal with it. And the reason we are dealing with it is because our leaders know what you don’t, that oil shortages would hit the American consumer just as they would hit the rest of the world. Also, that the American economy depends on the rest of the world.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 5:15 am to davyjones
quote:
And so y’all seriously think there wasn’t any American intelligence input on the subject? That’s pretty much impossible for me to buy.
Agreed. This idea that Israel hoodwinked Trump depends on them hoodwinking the CIA as well. I don’t think that’s what happened. I think that the Iranian nuclear program just happened to be maturing during Trump’s second term. I think that any of our presidents, during my lifetime, would have taken action, except Carter and Obama.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 5:17 am to Powerman
quote:
I think his willingness to dangle money and investments to the Gulf that he did from his first term should have continued into his second by even including the Iranians.
Correct. That would have been the most likely path to stability in the region.
Even the crazy Iranians are willing to cooperate and be decent neighbors if you can make it a mutually beneficial partnership.
This ignores the nuclear issue.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 6:34 am to Penrod
Let’s consider something here, and it is cold but frank:
If Iran could attack the US outside of their presence in the region, they surely would have done it over the last six months if they are the theocratic rabid dogs the US government usually paints them out to be.
However it has not happened either because they cannot (lack capabilities) or will not (understand it is a ruinous strategic blunder).
I do not know how that changes any if they had a nuclear warhead. While maintenance of US interests is important, I wonder how the average US citizen is impacted by this in terms of life and safety. Perhaps there are 2nd, 3rd, etc degrees removed impacts but an Iranian nuclear bomb dropping on your head is not one of them.
So it seems to me that we have committed a lot US equipment and souls to keeping a nuke from dropping on someone in Riyadh or Tel Aviv to me. While I would not like to see those people suffer either, they’re not Americans on the United States of America’s soil.
If Iran could attack the US outside of their presence in the region, they surely would have done it over the last six months if they are the theocratic rabid dogs the US government usually paints them out to be.
However it has not happened either because they cannot (lack capabilities) or will not (understand it is a ruinous strategic blunder).
I do not know how that changes any if they had a nuclear warhead. While maintenance of US interests is important, I wonder how the average US citizen is impacted by this in terms of life and safety. Perhaps there are 2nd, 3rd, etc degrees removed impacts but an Iranian nuclear bomb dropping on your head is not one of them.
So it seems to me that we have committed a lot US equipment and souls to keeping a nuke from dropping on someone in Riyadh or Tel Aviv to me. While I would not like to see those people suffer either, they’re not Americans on the United States of America’s soil.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 6:46 am to tigrewoulds21
quote:
Republicans were doing so good and had so much moment and support amongst young people, but somehow they got re-captured by the NeoCons.
It just shows how deep the neo-con under currents run in the US govt. I’ll never understand how easily they got to Trump. No ME wars was one of the most consistent themes during his first term and during his campaigns.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 6:54 am to redneck hippie
quote:
never understand how easily they got to Trump
They flew him to the Middle East and the US-aligned oil aristocracy show him a good time, slip some business deals to his family, and handed him a new plane. We saw it in “plane” daylight folks.
This post was edited on 7/31/26 at 6:54 am
Page 6 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News