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re: If Dems “found” ballots in ‘20 in order to win then Biden would have outperformed polls

Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:41 am to
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34286 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:41 am to
So Paul Ryan says Trump is likely to win if nominated. Even throws Liz Cheney in as his a reliable witness to that fact, and this is your response to prove that Trump will still lose? Youre nuts!

You dont think that they went to the trouble of millions of fake ballots, yet didnt bother to rig the polls too? Plus, youve cherry picked polls to try to boost your retarded view of "Trump cant win the general"

Biden won with +4.5% in 2020

Final polls:
Univ So. Cal. +12%
Yahoo +10%
WSJ +10%
The Economist +10%
YouGov +9%
Research Co +8%
Morning Consult +8%
Survey Monkey +7%
Ipsos +7%
Reuters +7%
Axios +6%
HarrisX +2%
Rasmussen +1%

They rigged a pandemic, votes, tabulators, matching signatures, news media calls, election laws, drop boxes, ballot stuffing to account for the abnormalities that would arise from Biden having 12 million more votes than anyone else in history, yet forgot to cover the polls?



And Paul Ryan knows it. Yet youre still clinging to the DIM narrative, and trying to convince us that they arent doing the same thing by getting Rob! into the primary
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44291 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:52 am to
quote:

Polls showed Biden ahead and Biden won.


So this is your end goal?

To legitimize polls, and therefore legitimize Biden.

frick off goose-stepper.

You leftists are a twisted bunch.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44291 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:55 am to
quote:

There is just one thing to remember about polls,


They can easily be manipulated

/thread.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
Member since Nov 2018
6389 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:55 am to
Your pitching this to a group who doesn't believe in the polls or election results (when candidate of choice loses) good luck
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63069 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:59 am to
quote:

Jon Ham



Huge Desantis supporter. Doesn't believe ballot stuffing occurred in swing states.

Fair enough.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
13155 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:14 am to
quote:

Jon Ham


Your arse got dawg piled in this post.

It amazes me that folks still think that nearly 160 mil people voted in that election and bidum is the popular potus ever.

Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8616 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:35 am to
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If Dems created votes that they didn’t actually earn,


Dang Jon, you're a bigger idiot than I thought you were. If you actually believe Biden received 81 million actual votes there's no hope for you. The black Messiah, at his best, only received 69 million. It's going to be crazy trying to explain to people when there's about to be 100% voter participation in every state.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25461 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:44 am to
Like I've said before, this "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing that a lot of Ronbots are now stooping to has to be one of the most embarrassing things I've seen so far. But watching OP just dig and dig himself deeper has at least been virally entertaining.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:47 am to
quote:

You keep saying almost the same level. If Trump had outperformed the polls at the exact same level, would he have won?



Not including Wisconsin:

2020: Trump’s swing state average actual result was 1.9% better than the average swing state poll.

2016: Trump’s swing state average actual result was 1.8% better than the average swing state poll.

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28580 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:48 am to
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Conclusion: The data shows Biden did not outperform the polling in any of the swing states.

The cult won’t believe anything you post. They will just say that at one precinct in rural Ohio with 342 registered voters a poll worker said there was something fishy, and that is all that they will need. At least they are consistent in their rejection of reality.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24012 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:48 am to
quote:

If Dems created a bunch of fraudulent ballots in 2020, then Trump would have not outperformed the polling at the same level as he did in 2016.


I know you have a point here. But it is still early. I'm going to go get some breakfast and think nice thoughts.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42378 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:05 am to
Who’s side are you on exactly?
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42378 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:08 am to
quote:

It amazes me that folks still think that nearly 160 mil people voted in that election and bidum is the popular potus ever.


Their hate for Trump is warping their minds.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:13 am to
quote:

Who’s side are you on exactly?


I’m on the side of supporting the GOP candidate who has the best shot to win 2024 - DeSantis. He also happens to be more conservative and a more effective executive.

I will say it was bullshite what Dem state governments did in 2020 to change voting rules under the “justification” of covid. At the end of the day though, Trump didn’t do what it took to win and I think DeSantis has a much better shot to do it.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 8:18 am
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47165 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:17 am to
Nice fanfic bro.

You a writer for Rings of Power on Prime?

Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:18 am to
quote:

If Biden won swing states in 2020 due to the Democrats “finding the votes necessary” in the middle of election night to flip the outcome, then the actual election results would show Biden outperformed the polling leading up to the election.


Wrong. Biden could underperform the polls and still win. He did not have to outperform the polls to do this.

This analysis is so bad it is laughable.

All you have proven in the data that you presented is that the polls are very inaccurate and that Biden could underperform the polls and still win. In no way is the hypothesis you presented proven to be correct.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:25 am to
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All you have proven in the data that you presented is that the polls are very inaccurate


Like 2016, they were inaccurate in that they underestimated Trump’s support. But the 2020 and 2016 polling underestimated Trump’s support at almost the exact same level (1.8% in 2016 vs 1.9% in 2020). The problem was that Joe’s “lead” was too much for that 1.9% to flip the result. If Dems manufactured a bunch of votes in 2020, then presumably Trump would not have outperformed polling as much as he did in 2016.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42378 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:30 am to
quote:

I will say it was bullshite what Dem state governments did in 2020 to change voting rules under the “justification” of covid.


Wasn’t just Dems bro. This is where you are falling for the establishment’s tactics. They have you hook line and sinker.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
5520 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:33 am to
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If Dems created a bunch of fraudulent ballots in 2020, then Trump would have not outperformed the polling at the same level as he did in 2016.

I didn't respond to the first two times you posted it, but being the third time you must actually mean it.

If the dems DID NOT create a bunch of magical votes, and those votes were legitimate, then Trump wouldn't have won in the polls. You stated the opposite thrice.

Clearly, with 81 million votes and all, the polls should have been comically lopsided.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:34 am to
quote:

If Dems manufactured a bunch of votes in 2020, then presumably Trump would not have outperformed polling as much as he did in 2016.


You can not prove that from the data presented. It is a nice theory, but you are making assumptions and thus the need to use the word "presumably"

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