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If Dems “found” ballots in ‘20 in order to win then Biden would have outperformed polls

Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:25 pm
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:25 pm
Hypothesis: If Biden won swing states in 2020 due to the Democrats “finding the votes necessary” in the middle of election night to flip the outcome, then the actual election results would show Biden outperformed the polling leading up to the election.

Method: I determined the polling average going into the election by averaging the final polls that included all candidates that would be on the ballot. The poll results I used can be found on wikipedia and 270towin.com.

Conclusion: The data shows Biden did not outperform the polling in any of the swing states.

Georgia
Actual Result: Biden +0.2%
Poll Avg: Biden +0.6%

Pennsylvania
Actual Result: Biden +1.2%
Poll Avg: Biden +2.8%

Michigan
Actual Result: Biden +2.8%
Poll Avg: Biden +5.8%

North Carolina
Actual Result: Trump +1.3%
Poll Avg: Biden+1.0%

Wisconsin
Actual Result: Biden +0.7%
Poll Avg: Biden +9.0%


Average of the swing states results: Biden +0.7%

Average of the swing states polling: Biden +3.8%

Trump’s swing state average actual result was 3.1% better than the average swing state polling.

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Taking out Wisconsin, the state with the largest discrepancy between polling and the actual result:

Average of the swing states actual results (not including WI): Biden +0.7%

Average of the swing states polling (not including WI): Biden +2.6%

Trump’s swing state average actual result was 1.9% better than the average swing state poll (not including WI).

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Trump also outperformed polling in 2016. I completed the same exercise for 2016 swing states to compare how much better Trump did than the polling in the ‘16 and ‘20 elections, and the results are very similar.

2016:

Florida
Result: Trump +1.2%
Poll Avg: Trump +1.3%

Michigan
Result: Trump +0.2%
Poll Avg: Hillary +2.5%

Pennsylvania
Result: Trump +0.7%
Poll Avg: Hillary +2.2%

Wisconsin
Result: Trump +0.7%
Poll Avg: Hillary +5.5%

Average of the swing states results: Trump +0.7%

Average of the swing states polling: Hillary +2.2%

Trump’s swing state average result was 1.5% better than the average swing state poll (2.2% minus 0.7%).

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Taking out Wisconsin, the state with the biggest discrepancy between polling and actual result:

Average of the swing states results: Trump +0.7%

Average of the swing states polling: Hillary +1.1%

Trump’s swing state average result was 1.8% better than the average swing state poll.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:28 pm to
quote:

Hypothesis: If Biden won swing states in 2020 due to the Democrats “finding the votes necessary” in the middle of election night to flip the outcome, then the actual election results would show Biden outperformed the polling leading up to the election.


Hypothesis includes a logical fallacy.

Rest of post is trash.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:29 pm to
quote:

Hypothesis includes a logical fallacy.


If Dems created votes that they didn’t actually earn, then the polls would obviously have not “captured” those fraudulent votes, and therefore Biden would be outperforming the polling.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70707 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:34 pm to
Another pro Biden poster heard from
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42274 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:37 pm to
So in other words, polls are wrong. I think we already knew that
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8652 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:37 pm to
Lotta work for a bunch of BS.

TLDR but know the inane arguments you are presenting.

Bellwether Counties
BS Plumbing leak in Atlanta
State AG's changing laws they had no authority to change
ALL swing states shutting down counting voting at the same time but not really shutting down counting votes
Democrat operatives kicking out and blocking access for Poll Watchers in Pennsylvania and others

Need I go on?

It was a rigged election and PDJT won Bigly for legal votes.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8652 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:40 pm to
quote:

So in other words, polls are wrong. I think we already knew that


He's trying to lamely equivocate PDJT's current polls to the 2020 election.

Who knows? Polls are easily manipulated and I have not paid attention to much of the recent polling showing PDJT up Bigly.

We will see next year, eh? It'll play out.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:40 pm to
You are trusting that the polls are correct and truthful when time and time again they are proven biased and inaccurate.

Thus your hypothesis is on false footing.

Another hypothesis- The poll results are created to protect the shenanigans with the vote numbers.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173716 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

You are trusting that the polls are correct and truthful when time and time again they are proven biased and inaccurate.

If you look at the RCP aggregate it's actually a pretty damn close.

quote:

nother hypothesis- The poll results are created to protect the shenanigans with the vote numbers

Sounds like a hypothesis that a pedo conspiracy theorist would come up unfortunately
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
13873 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:43 pm to
My oh my how far you Ronbots have fallen. Embarrassing
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:43 pm to
As OP shows, Trump outperformed the polling in 2020 at very close to the same level as he outperformed the polling in 2016.

If Dems created a bunch of fraudulent ballots in 2020, then Trump would have not outperformed the polling at the same level as he did in 2016.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108977 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:46 pm to
Lolz
Posted by Cromulent
Down the Bayou
Member since Oct 2016
3348 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:47 pm to
That’s some Pokémon level foolishness Mr. Ham.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:48 pm to
By the way, have we citizens arrested Ted Cruz yet for his election fraud in Iowa?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173716 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:54 pm to
quote:

oh my how far you Ronbots have fallen. Embarrassing

His hypothesis has facts to back it up. You have childish emotions to support your opinion.
Posted by MisslePig
Member since Jul 2018
1174 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:54 pm to
Do Hillary’s polls and acctuals from 2016 and weigh Joe’s polls with that information…

And watch your “scientific theory” crumble…
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173716 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:56 pm to
quote:

Do Hillary’s polls and acctuals from 2016 and weigh Joe’s polls with that information…

And watch your “scientific theory” crumble…

He did and it didn't crumble. Trump slightly out performed the polls both times.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

Do Hillary’s polls and acctuals from 2016 and weigh Joe’s polls with that information…


Step ahead of you. You didn’t read down far enough in OP.

As OP shows, Trump outperformed the polling almost exactly the same in 2020 as he did in 2016. If Dems had created a bunch of fraudulent votes in 2020 to swing the election, then Trump would not have outperformed polling at the same level as 2016.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23216 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:57 pm to
Hypothesis: many states cannot verify the accuracy or completeness of elections

Method: identification and signature verification

Result: racist
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:59 pm to
Only-Trumpers entire case: The polling and election results are all rigged, unless they’re good for Trump.
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