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re: Gavin Newsom has banned political ’memes’ in California.

Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:08 am to
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182512 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:08 am to
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Writing a movie via AI?

Because that's the only way those words would apply to a person writing for a movie/TV. Producing your own work is not the same as using AI to produce it. We're only talking about the latter.




As I said, the video Newsome is upset over someone wrote a script then used an AI voice generator to make it sound like Kamala. How is that any different than Hollywood writing a script and doing the same? Both are protected works.

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but that status removes it from blanket 1A protection.


Does it? Slander is still protected speech in the sense the Government can not prosecute you criminally for it or stop you and slander is a civil issue.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:08 am to
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SFP, noted technocrat cum libertinearian, is on board.


Where did I say I supported this law?

Why debase yourself by lying?

I'm not discussing my personal opinions about the law.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:10 am to
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If only we had a list of rights that we could refer to


Exactly. You would think that would be the first thing in a such Bill of Rights.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6488 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:10 am to
The use of AI is irrelevant to the argument of what is free speech and what isn't. I can simply quote someone else's words as an expression of my own free speech. It doesn't matter if I originally said the words (or even another human.) My endorsement is all that matters.

If someone asks, "Did you say that"? They aren't asking, "Did you come up with that on your own"?
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:12 am
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8895 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:11 am to
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I give objective analysis, not subjective commentary.

Sigh. Do you really think you can claim to be unbiased in your analysis of the political landscape and then in the same thread say something like this:
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Giving analysis that doesn't agree with the hive mind isn't giving subjective stances, no matter how much MAGA melts about it. Just because your chosen echo chamber content creators are often misleading and telling you incorrect things doesn't mean telling you what reality is involves some subjective stance on the issue presented. It's a big problem with MAGA NPCs suffering from partisan/echo chamber brain rot.

or this:
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The problem is I didn't. When I give objective analysis there is no subjective personal opinion involved, no matter how much it makes people melt down and lie to accuse me of doing so by either implication or idiotic interpretation

while never attacking the Left with such vitriol?

the fact is that we ALL think our opinions are objective. the difference is that most of us are also smart enough to realize that we are humans, and we understand human nature enough to acknowledge that we all have biases and that it's virtually impossible to give an objective analysis on ANYTHING, let alone something like politics in which we all clearly have a great interest.

you seem to truly believe that you, and you alone, are so far above the fray on this board that you are the one arbiter of objective truth which really, ironically, displays the exact opposite - that your lack of ability to be self-aware and your thinking is actually even more demented than the average poster here.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:11 am to
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Where did I say I supported this law?


Here we go.

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I'm not discussing my personal opinions about the law.


That’s the hilarious part. You think this is accurate.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63087 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:11 am to
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No it's pretty simple. Your bias requires whataboutism. You are having problems because I did not engage in your bias, and you're telling me I should conform with that bias.


No. My original point is that the hive mind, echo chamber phenomenon has actually been engineered to occur via social media, search engine algorithms, etc. and is a problem across the board.

That’s the important underlying point.

You think it’s a MAGA issue because you are an emotional mess and somehow get validation by posting on a board and getting 50:1 downvote ratios.

It is what it is.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:13 am to
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somehow get validation by posting on a board and getting 50:1 downvote ratios.


He’s embarrassed by his upbringing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:13 am to
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As I said, the video Newsome is upset over someone wrote a script then used an AI voice generator to make it sound like Kamala. How is that any different than Hollywood writing a script and doing the same? Both are protected works.


The difference is that you have an actor saying the words of the script. That's a tactile production.

With AI, you create a non-tactile output. What makes it complicated is what I referenced earlier:

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You can get into this sort of discussion for all the curated parts (the video, speech, etc.) of the output.


Humanity has never been in a position where certain parts of an output are genuine (here, the script) and others are created by non-humans (the total output).

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Does it?

Yes. If you can be sued for speech, the 1A doesn't apply to that speech. NY Times v. Sullivan is written specifically with reference to the 1st Amendment.

Civil liability is the first "chip" in the blanket 1A protection.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20103 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:13 am to
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Elon about to tell Gavin to frick himself, again.


The thing is, Gavin likes to get fricked so Elon is doing him a favor.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
20421 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:13 am to
You can sleep on the sidewalks,
You can shite on the sidewalks,
You can steal and face no consequences,
You can pay the highest costs in the US,
But don’t you dare criticize a politician you evil rabble.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:13 am to
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Here we go.

It's a legitimate question.

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Where did I say I supported this law?


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That’s the hilarious part. You think this is accurate.

He says, without evidence to support his arguments.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:14 am to
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Do you really think you can claim to be unbiased in your analysis of the political landscape and then in the same thread say something like this:

Yes

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or this:


Yes

Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
40421 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:14 am to
“That’s how easy it is to govern”



He just made a meme of himself.







That’s
How
Easy
It
Is
To
Govern
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:19 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:15 am to
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My original point is that the hive mind, echo chamber phenomenon has actually been engineered to occur via social media, search engine algorithms, etc. and is a problem across the board.

And? Doesn't dispute what I said, only confirms what I said.

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You think it’s a MAGA issue b

Is MAGA somehow removed from the issues of "the hive mind" you posted above?

If not, then I'm right and have been this entire time.

You just want to bring irrelevant others who have nothing to do with this thread into the mix, for some reason.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:16 am to
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He’s embarrassed by his upbringing.


Your psychological analysis is as good as your ability to support your arguments.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:16 am to
The government cannot stand competition in the propaganda game. It requires a monopoly.

Its crazy how quickly the anti free speech movement took hold of this country. I'm amazed how easily people accept this as their source of security and freedom.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41028 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:16 am to
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No doubt! You have to wonder about this guy.
Undoubtedly, he knows he can't enforce this so why even go thru this exercise when he's going to lose?
He should be telling the public that free speech is a Good given right and government can't take it away, so folks should grow thicker skin.


Remember, he was all for reparations right up until the moment the state was going to have to pay for it. Then, "Dealing with that legacy is about much more than cash payments".
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63087 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:16 am to
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He’s embarrassed by his upbringing.


I’d suggest it’s a multi variable equation, whatever it is.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:17 am to
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It's a legitimate question.


If you think you haven’t taken a position on this I’ll assume that you struggle making friends and (assuming you’ve been married) that you’ve gone through a divorce.
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