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re: CA city to start universal income for families, $500 a month.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:08 pm to Crimson Wraith
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:08 pm to Crimson Wraith
Stockton is a shithole.
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:08 pm to Crimson Wraith
If this isn’t buying votes I don’t know what is. It’s a miracle California has any conservatives left. I would lose my mind if my tax dollars paid for this.
Future elections: “Vote for me! I’ll increase the universal income!”
Future elections: “Vote for me! I’ll increase the universal income!”
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:08 pm to Crimson Wraith
Just gonna go ahead and predict that poor white families will have to jump through hoops to get on that. Cause of that mythological white privilege.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:08 pm to Crimson Wraith
This mindset is so fricking stupid. If you are going to continually steal from the hardworking taxpayers to help the “downtrodden”, then use the money to create jobs so that you increase the tax base and not just your voter base.
I was recently laid off for 3 months and did not even accept a single cent of the $6,000 of unemployment that I could have collected. Whatever happened to people having a little self pride and self worth? Pathetic!
I was recently laid off for 3 months and did not even accept a single cent of the $6,000 of unemployment that I could have collected. Whatever happened to people having a little self pride and self worth? Pathetic!
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:10 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Food, maybe pay some bills, gas in the vehicle, a lot of different things.
Show me a family in Stockton, CA spending less than $500/month on food.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:10 pm to Yat27
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Stockton is a shithole.
I was there in February.. It IS a shithole
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:10 pm to Powerman
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Their debt is in the 400 billions
And their debt to GDP ratio is in MUCH better shape than our federal government
and our federal numbers are so bad largely because of voters and congress members from California
do you ever post anything that doesn't come back to bite you in like seven seconds?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:10 pm to ShreveportHog94
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UBI done in the right way is the only answer to our welfare state. But you'll have to see and accept people starving to death and dying in the streets from starvation. I'm completely for it.
As someone who majored in econ and studied UBI a substantial amount.......he's right.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:11 pm to ShreveportHog94
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UBI done in the right way is the only answer to our welfare state.
But do you think politicians in California are actually going to do it that way? They're not going to swap out the current welfare system in exchange for one that says "here's $500 for the month. Make it last." They're of course going to leave those systems in place and just redistribute wealth to give this folks $500.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:11 pm to mwade91383
Ok, I'll bite.
What is UBI done right?
What is UBI done right?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:13 pm to Crimson Wraith
It's most certainly not universal and how is this program funded? It sounds like Robin Hood is in town. 
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:14 pm to Crimson Wraith
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1.3 trillion, as of a year ago.
That's total state and local debt
Not state debt
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:15 pm to Crimson Wraith
Fixing to be a huge migration of homeless people from Portland. Good luck Stockton
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Convenience store owners rejoice!
Colt 45 bouta get more expensive.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:16 pm to Meauxjeaux
The quick and dirty (2 main points essentially, but its does get a little complicated):
-Give it to everyone, indefinitely. Everyone has to know its not going away and they can count on it so they can actually invest in other things (retirement, higher ed, real estate) , which in turn improves their quality of life and more importantly reduces the likelihood of ever needing a hand out and increases the odds of them increasing the tax base so they become essentially "net positives", even after UBI.
-It replaces every entitlement program we have, delete every single one. All that inefficiency, gone.
ETA: I wish he had said "could be" and didn't say "only" because I'm not saying for sure this would work, nobody does. Economists agree there's no way to know because it's never really been tested, it's all econ theory. But I do agree w most economists, its the best chance we have.
-Give it to everyone, indefinitely. Everyone has to know its not going away and they can count on it so they can actually invest in other things (retirement, higher ed, real estate) , which in turn improves their quality of life and more importantly reduces the likelihood of ever needing a hand out and increases the odds of them increasing the tax base so they become essentially "net positives", even after UBI.
-It replaces every entitlement program we have, delete every single one. All that inefficiency, gone.
ETA: I wish he had said "could be" and didn't say "only" because I'm not saying for sure this would work, nobody does. Economists agree there's no way to know because it's never really been tested, it's all econ theory. But I do agree w most economists, its the best chance we have.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:16 pm to Crimson Wraith
$150 billion in debt, that sounds just like a communist plan. Leftist are filth, the scourge of the earth!!
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:16 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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and our federal numbers are so bad largely because of voters and congress members from California
do you ever post anything that doesn't come back to bite you in like seven seconds?
You just came back with something that is stupid and completely unsubstantiated and literally made up out of thin air
If you think you accomplished something then congrats
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:17 pm to roadGator
This will not end well for that city 
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:21 pm to mwade91383
There is an estimated 5-6 million jobs available for skilled labor. Take that money and train these people for those jobs instead. This continual catering to those that don’t care to improve themselves is such a joke.
What happens when the hard working, industrious people decide that they can work the current system better than those abusing it now and quit their jobs?
What happens when the hard working, industrious people decide that they can work the current system better than those abusing it now and quit their jobs?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:22 pm to mwade91383
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UBI done in the right way is the only answer to our welfare state. But you'll have to see and accept people starving to death and dying in the streets from starvation. I'm completely for it.
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As someone who majored in econ and studied UBI a substantial amount.......he's right.
Only answer, huh? What would an Econ term paper with this plan in mind have yielded?
- reduce illegal immigration extensively
- deport a more significant quantity of illegal aliens
- reduce "unskilled labor" legal immigration
The above actions would drive up wages, any economist knows that. Also would open up employment opportunities.
SIMULTANEOUSLY with the above...
- reduce the benefits of the welfare state
I know, and you know, that this would greatly diminish the problems of the welfare state, as the "Americans won't do those jobs" excuse gets less and less true, because being hungry WILL actually cause people to fill the void left by the above.
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