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Biden supporters check in thread.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:18 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:18 am
You have some explaining to do. Let's hear it.
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:21 am to The Shed
Hey the world may be in shambles, both domestically and abroad, but at least we don't have a mean tweeter in office. We may have a literal tone deaf whore as VP, but at least we can hang our hats on the fact that Donald Trump is out of office.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:21 am to The Shed
You plan on raising the dead?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:22 am to The Shed
Withdrawing was always going to be a shite show.
You can't analyze the withdrawal while ignoring the reasons we got into the conflict. It does a disservice to an incredibly complex issue.
I think withdrawing is a mistake and one that was always going to end up like this. The Afghan army was always going to fall (very few believed in the 'cause' because Afghanistan is a coalition of disparate tribes with very little in common) without US backing.
I blame Trump for negotiating a withdrawal with the Taliban and I blame Biden for honoring the withdrawal. The Afghan army wasn't even involved in the 2020 Doha Agreement for goodness sake.
I blame every US president rather than one individual for this withdrawal. Trump also had control for 4 years and was the one who brokered the deal to withdraw in the first place (and everyone conveniently ignores this). If we want to examine 20 years of foreign policy failure, you can't really ignore the administration that brokered a deal with the Taliban ;)
I think Biden's biggest mistake isn't the withdrawal but the fact that we're withdrawing in the first place. He gave in to political cowardice when anyone on the ground would tell you that the Afghan army has no loyalty to the cause or America.
You can't analyze the withdrawal while ignoring the reasons we got into the conflict. It does a disservice to an incredibly complex issue.
I think withdrawing is a mistake and one that was always going to end up like this. The Afghan army was always going to fall (very few believed in the 'cause' because Afghanistan is a coalition of disparate tribes with very little in common) without US backing.
I blame Trump for negotiating a withdrawal with the Taliban and I blame Biden for honoring the withdrawal. The Afghan army wasn't even involved in the 2020 Doha Agreement for goodness sake.
I blame every US president rather than one individual for this withdrawal. Trump also had control for 4 years and was the one who brokered the deal to withdraw in the first place (and everyone conveniently ignores this). If we want to examine 20 years of foreign policy failure, you can't really ignore the administration that brokered a deal with the Taliban ;)
I think Biden's biggest mistake isn't the withdrawal but the fact that we're withdrawing in the first place. He gave in to political cowardice when anyone on the ground would tell you that the Afghan army has no loyalty to the cause or America.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:24 am to DangerousWafer
Lol. Biden ignored intel reports that this was going to happen. He did what you all screeched about trump doing for 4 years: ignored advisors.
Get some Mayo cause you’re eating this shite sandwich.
Get some Mayo cause you’re eating this shite sandwich.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:24 am to DangerousWafer
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I blame every US president rather than one individual for this withdrawal.
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I think Biden's biggest mistake isn't the withdrawal but the fact that we're withdrawing in the first place.
Wow…I don’t even
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:26 am to DangerousWafer
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I think withdrawing is a mistake and one that was always going to end up like this
This is wrong on so many levels. Biden botched this, period. We could’ve easily evacuated non military personnel slowly and steadily as to not cause panic, and then at the last minute pull out the troops. Seems like Biden did it the opposite way, pull out troops and let everyone panic as everyone who ever helped us on the ground slowly realized the Taliban was going to kill them and there was nowhere for them to go that quickly.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:26 am to The Pirate King
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Wow…I don’t even
Either respond properly or don't.
Address the points being made and I'll respond in kind.
Otherwise, the discussion just ends up with insults being thrown around and no foreign policy discussion at all. I'm finding that people on this forum would rather gain 'political' victories rather than discuss complex issues with multiple failures and mistakes.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:26 am to DangerousWafer
You can spin it however you want. This is a disastrous withdrawal with no plan at all. Carter would have done a better job than this. This is an absolute disgrace.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:27 am to DangerousWafer
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Biden supporters check in thread.
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I blame Trump
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 8:27 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:27 am to The Shed
Well I'm a supporter of a Biden resignation or impeachment .. does that count??
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:28 am to RebelExpress38
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This is wrong on so many levels. Biden botched this, period. We could’ve easily evacuated non military personnel slowly and steadily as to not cause panic, and then at the last minute pull out the troops. Seems like Biden did it the opposite way, pull out troops and let everyone panic as everyone who ever helped us on the ground slowly realized the Taliban was going to kill them and there was nowhere for them to go that quickly.
Could we? We were relying on faulty information.
Diplomats and political leaders on both sides were expecting that the Afghan army wouldn't fall that easily.
But my point still stands. We shouldn't be withdrawing and I stand by that.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:29 am to DangerousWafer
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Withdrawing was always going to be a shite show.
Oh frick right off.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:30 am to DangerousWafer
Your premise assumes Trump’s plan would have remained the same leading up to this with the updated intel of the past few months. It’s entirely plausible that a course correction would have been made, but we’ll never know that. What we do know is that this administration massively failed in every possible way. Deflecting to the past is a poor replacement for the actions (or lack thereof) of the present.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:31 am to DangerousWafer
Hey Moron! Trump has nothing to do with this. Joe could of offered continued air support to strike Taliban targets, but he went against advice of his generals. I’m still waiting for you lefties to explain Biden’s bungling of Benghazi too by the way
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:32 am to DangerousWafer
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:32 am to The Shed
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You have some explaining to do
I’ll help. Here are a few topics to discuss
1. Russia - Trump was investigated as a Russian asset. But it was Biden who stopped the US oil/energy independence and opened Pipelines for Russia…if Trump had done this, would you have remained silent?
2. Covid - the Delta variant is raging, hospitals reaching capacity! You blamed Trump as ignoring Science (even though he did everything Fauci advised him), if Trump had an open border policy…busing/flying over 1MM unvaccinated people all over the country, spreading the virus, would you remain silent?
3. Afghanistan - after 20 years in AFG (nation building), Biden lost it all in 10 days. He ignored Military and civilian intelligence on withdrawal Bc of his Stubbornness and Self righteous foreign policy maker…why are you silent? Had Trump fumbled AFG away like this, what would your reaction be?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:34 am to DangerousWafer
quote:So we should have stayed in Afghanistan? For how long?
We shouldn't be withdrawing and I stand by that.
Another 20 years? Or 20 decades?
Til judgement day and trumpet sounds?
It was always going to end like this. Why prolong it?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:35 am to DangerousWafer
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I think Biden's biggest mistake isn't the withdrawal but the fact that we're withdrawing in the first place
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:37 am to The Shed
They want to bring down the US and make way for a new system. Chaos and destruction is just what they wanted so they can "build back better".
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