re: Woman in Minnesota tried ramming ICE Officer gets unalived. NSFW

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we need to also critique the ICE agents

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They did an excellent job.

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They did an excellent job.

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You have no conscience. You lack honesty.

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Not only did he not get run over, but he actually leaned over the hood of the car to get a head shot

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Had nothing to do with her accelerating into him, as evidenced by her wheels spinning and this

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The vehicle was clearly turned to the right away from the officer and none of her actions previously indicated she was a violent threat.

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That isn't clear at all, and she was basically surrounded with an officer trying to open the driver door. What she did was completely reckless.

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Witnesses also say the driver was given conflicting instructions from ICE agents -- to leave or to get out of the vehicle.

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Video footage is quite obvious what was being instructed.

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...the ICE agents chose to escalate the situation

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This situation that she created.

This is not an isolated incident. Have you seen how people in that city treat ICE? Any other city? They are being instigated by thousands of people daily.

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Both the driver and the agents made mistakes that led to an unnecessary confrontation and escalation. If we're going to critique the woman for all of the decisions she made yesterday, we need to also critique the ICE agents, and I'd argue we need to hold them to a much higher standard than the protester.

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He will be judged by his department and the legal system. She chose to forego that path. What else is there to critique?

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This situation that she created.

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Yep, I said this earlier. She created this situation. And she had apparently been going from ICE location to ICE location protesting and what not.

She would be alive today if she didn't engage them and just let them do their job.

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Should that not influence the tactics of these agents?

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He should have never been in front of the car. They are taught (or should be taught), always approach from the side, never the front or rear.
I have no idea why he was there, but it might be that the other officer was engaging her and he didn't want her to pull away, but I have no idea if that is what he was doing or not.

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What was poorly trained here? Seems some of you believe you are experts on use of force in these situations. Mostly you just utter grossly uneducated opinions though, so let's see some actual concrete analysis supporting your conclusion here.

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Well…I was a use of force instructor, defensive tactics, firearms, and TASER. I’ve also been through about 400+ hours of police combatives training from various other experts from across the country when I was a cop. Not saying I’m an expert, but I probably have more experience in this very thing than you and 90% of others in this thread.

And I actually pointed out the tactical errors by the agent several times in this thread while also acknowledging that yes, she should have complied.

I am not trying if it was a good or bad shoot, that’s for the courts. What I am saying is that we as a society have allowed the standards for law enforcement to drop consistently over the years.

What I have also said is that when you, as an officer, stand in the direct path of a movable vehicle, you are now creating a circumstance where your use of force options are both extremely limited and elevated. There was little to no benefit of him standing in front of the vehicle, tactically they should have boxed the car in so the “threat risk” was lowered and then gave commands for her to tie off the vehicle. Once that happens NOW you try and get her out.

They failed to emotionally control the situation and problem solve and instead let the event snowball into what we have now, which is the exact opposite of what we should be expecting of LE when on the scene.

In no way am I saying handle her or others with kid gloves but once the decision was made that they were going to arrest her, you have to coordinate with equipment to prevent her vehicle from being used as a weapon or at least limit her ability to do so. What you don’t do is hang out in the path of the vehicle while your partner is trying to extricate the driver excluding some severe exigencies. IMO she probably didn’t even see him due to her sensory system being overloaded.

I can acknowledge the fact that she did dumb shite while also acknowledging that the agents on the scene should have handled the situation better. Both can be true.

I hold law enforcement to a high standard because that is what they signed up for. They signed up to act when shite goes south and to think and solve problems. Are they perfect? No. However I’m not going to lower my standard for LE and give them a pass everytime something happens because I have too respect for the profession.

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Yep, I said this earlier. She created this situation. And she had apparently been going from ICE location to ICE location protesting and what not.

She would be alive today if she didn't engage them and just let them do their job.

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Her partner was in a phone filming battle with the shooting officer before the truck arrived. They apparently found the fight they were looking for and were not prepared for the consequences.

And I will add that it is quite sad that this happened, it should not have. But it is equally sad that people can't just accept that this was absolute FAFO behavior that makes police interactions MORE dangerous.

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Should that not influence the tactics of these agents? Especially when dealing with a non-violent protester.

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You're suggesting we let the inmates run the asylum?


Good grief.

It's EXTREMELY clear in the slow mo video that the car was peeling out FORWARDS when he started drawing his handgun. If she'd had a subaru she'd have likely got him better than she did.

The car is in drive at this point. If the wheels don't spin, he is probably dead.