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OceanMan
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Well, Kelly is claiming that the terms were already negotiated when the contract was signed.
Yes, I understand that. He is wrong, because he hasn't actually been terminated.
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Look at the very first line of the press release. Read it slowly.
Look at this line
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Terms of the separation are still being negotiated.
There is no separation agreement, because it is still being negotiated, but they have agreed that the many term is that they are separated.
What am I missing?
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What’s going on?
The terms of separation have not been settled. Kelly is trying to frame that as LSU changing the deal, while a deal hasn’t actually been made.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 9:32 am to go ta hell ole miss
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You conveniently skipped over all of the other schools who are not firing their coach the way LSU has
That’s because our coach decided to be an a-hole about it.
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LSU is not even sure if they fired him three weeks later.
Kelly is the one saying he is confused, LSU is negotiating the terms of separation.
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Point me to a single school who has ever pseudo fired a coach, announced a firing, hired an interim coach, played a game and then claimed they had not yet fired the coach.
Kelly is making this claim.
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Nobody does that regardless of your suggestion that this is the way every coach is fired.
Most people don’t say they are open to negotiations and refuse to negotiate, then sue when the other side is actively negotiating.
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The press release seems to be a problem for this narrative.
Umm..
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Terms of the separation are still being negotiated.
How is that?
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We will continue to negotiate his separation and will work toward a path that is better for both parties.”
How do yall still not see what’s going on?
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Well, if he actually did anything wrong, why hide the details?
To avoid a
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pr nightmare
Kelly doesn’t care about his reputation. That’s why he is going for the max buyout, even with mitigation duties remain. He doesn’t plan on working he doesn’t give a shite.
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I'm gonna need some context
That’s just what I think happened. But I’m not sure what context you may need to see how I came to that conclusion.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 9:03 am to LSUFanHouston
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When other schools have fired for cause…
Most schools don’t because they settle. Firing for the most usual causes is ugly for everyone, that’s why it rarely happens in most industries.
Kelly used those discussions in attempt to run out a clock that may or may not exist.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:59 am to LSUFanHouston
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If LSU offered the present value of the future payments, sure. Seems like they are offering less than that.
It was a fair offer. They relieved him of mitigation duties, and were not going to terminate him for cause. He said no, now they might.
The contract doesn’t say he is owed his full compensation no matter what. You have to understand that part first. All of the surrounding confusion is posturing by Kelly’s legal team.
They are shooting for getting more than the liquidated damages stipulate. Trust me in this. They want a lump sum to be close to PV of $54M and to be relieved of mitigation dutiies. They are hoping to make LSU scramble and make a stupid offer to make this go away. If I’m LSU, no way I would make another offer, I keep making the payments and let the legal process drag out and make this a huge pain in the arse for Kelly
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He's not; it is even spelled out in his suit that LSU offered him 25K then 30K. Both of which he turned down.
Kelly is acting like they never spoke about WHY there were settlement discussion.
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Kelly is simply asking that LSU clarify that his termination was not for cause and that if LSU has claimed it was, they have missed the window to do.
:lol: yeah I know. They missed the “window”because they were negotiating the termination agreement. Poor old Brian Kelly is just confused. No, the negotiations were meant to run out the clock on their perceived “window” of opportunity to do so. That’s called bad faith.
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I am fairly certain these are just negotiation tactics, by and large, but by dragging their feet, LSU comes out looking bad in these, not Kelly.
LSU is not dragging their feet. They have made him real and fair offers. We did this yesterday - the PV of $30M lump sum puts a valuation on the mitigation duty of about $15M. That is, if Kelly makes more than $15M in the next 5 years, he comes out ahead. He just valued himself at like $25M/year. That’s a fair offer that Kelly said he was willing to listen to.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:42 am to LSUFanHouston
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Well if they are now trying to terminate for cause…
I don’t feel like you want to understand this.
If he he is still employed, does LSU not still have the right to terminate his contract, with or without cause? Why would LSU and Brian Kelly negotiate this? Was he ever told it was NOT for cause?
Kelly is trying to say LSU is backtracking. LSU hasn’t said anything, they are negotiating the termination.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:37 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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Is he wrong? If LSU didn’t notify him of cause, it’s a pretty big legal gamble to try and do it retroactively
I don’t know the answer, I’m trying to explain how it might not be being done retroactively. They have not given him a termination notice, so they have not formally terminated him (with or without cause).
When you settle a contract, you are replacing or ending that contract. The active negotiations show that LSU was trying to terminate him in a way not spelled out in the contract. I don’t see why they don’t still have the option to fire with or without cause, if Kelly is no longer willing to negotiate.
This is a fairly normal thing, we are just way too concerned about the reputational aspect to see both sides, despite how visible it is.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:31 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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I am not an employment attorney
Neither am I, but
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there was a press conference announcing that BK was immediately relieved of his duties (i.e. fired).
Being relieved of your duties is not the same as having your contract terminated. The duties were within the contract, and could be updated by the president or AD.
So it can’t be very apparent that he has been removed as the coach, while his contract is not yet terminated. LSU has essentially made offers to terminate which Kelly declined.
re: Time to dust off THE BINDER and hand it off to Frank Wilson.
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:27 am to Chad504boy
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You think Frank will coach next year on essentially a low rent one year contract?
Maybe. Not a ton of risk for him, would likely come with a guarantee to be retained by the new coach.
LSU needs to break the trend of just throwing money at coaches, they need a backup plan if they can’t find the right guy this offseason. If Kelly is going to be a pain in the arse, don’t rush it, let that news pass and be ready for next season.
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This isn't new. It's how every coach is hired and fired.
Right, and buyouts don’t just happen because it says it in their the original document, there is another agreement, which was being negotiated- now Kelly is acting surprised.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:19 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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People yesterday were saying that BK wasn’t really fired because there was (allegedly) no formal written termination and that Woodward didn’t have authority to terminate him. And they were acting like that was some “gotcha” information that helped LSU. If anything, it makes it seem like BK was terminated in a way that violated his contract and puts LSU in a very precarious legal position.
Take a step back. There was no formal termination document. They were in active negotiations that as per Kelly, was discussed during the termination meeting. LSU has made no comments on this, but has made several offers. This suggests they at least could have discussed that the termination document is pending settlement.
It’s not a “gotcha”, LSU had been negotiating, Kelly is the one that is trying to play the “gotcha” card by saying he wasn’t terminated, and I don’t have a paper that says with cause so it can’t be for cause.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:13 am to LSUFanHouston
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If you are terminating a contract for cause, you better have every duck in a row from the start. Weeks later, lsu can’t even find the ducks, much less have them in a row.
They were in active negotiations to make the ducks unnecessary, that doesn’t mean they aren’t there or in a row.
I’m offering this as a potential explanation. People need to forget the lawsuit, that’s just Kelly’s side of the story which LSU deserves a chance to respond to.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:08 am to LSUFanHouston
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A judge may well find that they have. Or that through what they have said / done, LSU has actually breached the contract.
How is that?
I haven’t seen anything suggesting that they haven’t paid or are not planning on paying Kelly.
re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted by OceanMan on 11/12/25 at 8:03 am to LSUFanHouston
He has been relieved of his duties, but his contract has not been officially terminated. LSU has been trying to negotiate those terms with Kelly, but Kelly is now acting like they never spoke about that.
It is common to have a separation agreement, particularly for a guy that makes $10M/year. Kelly thinks there was just a little “HR housekeeping” and that they would be in touch.
It is common to have a separation agreement, particularly for a guy that makes $10M/year. Kelly thinks there was just a little “HR housekeeping” and that they would be in touch.
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Also, you are referencing two scenarios in which the employer gives an order that isn’t followed. I was responding to people referencing internet rumors about an affair that has been speculated about for years.
I understand that, I think people need to update their thinking. They think LSU looks bad and can only look worse and want it to end. LSU might actually have a plan here that doesn’t involved trying to coerce Kelly into a settlement because of embarrassing things he did here.
One of those two scenarios is actually very likely to have happened. Most people just didn’t realize that the contract is not fully guaranteed, and there are actual provisions related to performance, just not on the field.
How can an employer be expected to retain an employee if they are not following direction? We shouldn’t have to pay him for another 5 years if he wasn’t going to play nice with the admin, and the contract says so.
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