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re: Will environmental conservation ever become important throughout the South?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 1:04 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 7/15/19 at 1:04 pm to Cowboyfan89
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The guys putting in time and money managing land and volunteering with conservation organizations/wildlife agencies are the real hunter-conservationists.
No shite.
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 1:07 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Well if you want to get technical, there are a lot more than 4 types of marsh
Hydrologically speaking, no. There are 4, classified by salinity (or lack thereof): fresh, intermediate, brackish, and salt.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 1:10 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Hydrologically speaking, no. There are 4, classified by salinity (or lack thereof): fresh, intermediate, brackish, and salt.
Not according to Nat Geo. They say there’s only 3
Posted on 7/15/19 at 1:18 pm to AUCE05
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plant those shite loblolly pines. Absolutely zero wildlife in those areas.
Longleaf is a superior tree to loblolly in almost every way but this is an absurd statement.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 1:33 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Not according to Nat Geo. They say there’s only 3
Well, Nat Geo is wrong.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:50 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Nothing against rice and crawfish farmers, but the only reason they've been able to label their operations as "conservation" is due to the loss of high quality, natural wetlands.
Go read about the sustainability/conservation strides the rice industry has made in the 30 years then get back to me
Farmers are the some of the most environmentally sound people in this country. If you're not you go broke
Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:52 pm to weagle99
Unless our economy starts relying more ecotourism and less on oil I'd say no.
ETA: North Carolina is pretty green. I was mainly talking about louisiana.
Fun Fact: A lot of conservation money comes from the Pittman/Robertson fund. This is funded by excise taxes on guns, ammo, and hunting gear. Recreational shooters contribute almost double what hunters do.
ETA: North Carolina is pretty green. I was mainly talking about louisiana.
Fun Fact: A lot of conservation money comes from the Pittman/Robertson fund. This is funded by excise taxes on guns, ammo, and hunting gear. Recreational shooters contribute almost double what hunters do.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:53 pm to FunroePete
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I didn't say it was the only factor but all of those are related to resource supply
You'd have to be incredibly naive to think it hasn't played a large part of the industries woes. So far it's estimated that 25% of louisianas marshes are gone from the 30s and it's growing faster every year.
Ask any shrimper,crabber,oysterman or marine biologist they all say the same thing
The US government is responsible for this more than anyone with the levee system. It has nothing to do with T-Boy throwing his bud can on the ground
Why does the Wax delta add land every year but the Miss. loses it?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 3:57 pm to AUCE05
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Large timber companies decimated the long leaf pine forest in AL.
Let me encourage you to get involved: Longleaf Alliance
They do stuff like offer discounts on seedlings and offer help to landowners looking to convert pasture to longleaf.
While longleaf isn't where it was, I'd encourage you to take a trip to Bankhead National Forest or Oakmulgee National Forest or Conecuh National Forest. Thousands of acres of federally and state protected longleaf acres there.
Just because the gov't isn't out front doing something, doesn't mean that no one cares. It just means that the things that do happen occur more efficiently, on a smaller scale, and without violating anyone's civil rights or property rights.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:03 pm to weagle99
Only once the price of oil and petroleum products is to high to be profitable. So not in our lifetime.
Now if these trashy frickers would just stop littering that would be a huge first step.
Now if these trashy frickers would just stop littering that would be a huge first step.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:04 pm to Midtiger farm
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Go read about the sustainability/conservation strides the rice industry has made in the 30 years then get back to me
I've read all about it. They do have some sound environmental practices, but that is not my point.
My point is, the only reason the argument exists for the importance of rice farms to waterfowl is because of the lack of high quality natural wetlands. It's like saying eastern red cedar is great bedding habitat for deer. It is when there is nothing else there, but it's not the best habitat you can provide.
Rice farmers aren't farming rice or drastically changing practices to benefit waterfowl, especially of they are craw fishing. They are already doing those things as part of their operation. Conservation is just a secondary benefit. Nothing wrong with that, just don't act like you a conservationist in the same vein as someone who is creating wetlands specifically for waterfowl.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:35 pm to weagle99
Posted on 7/15/19 at 5:22 pm to weagle99
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to not care about protecting any of it.
Just because the government isn’t protecting it, doesn’t mean it’s not protected
Posted on 7/15/19 at 5:26 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:Agree and disagree. Purposefully holding a few inches of water in rice stubble which was historically prairie land to attract waterfowl is certainly above and beyond normal farming practice. And yes while it may not be the hugest deal to do so from an effort standpoint, it is absolutely a conservation tactic.
Rice farmers aren't farming rice or drastically changing practices to benefit waterfowl,
Posted on 7/15/19 at 5:35 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Just because the gov't isn't out front doing something, doesn't mean that no one cares.
How can you talk about longleaf pine and then say this? The NRCS has dedicated funds that go towards longleaf pine restoration in 9 states. There are Soil and Water Conservation Districts that put on tree sales, offering trees at low costs to landowners to reestablish native trees on the landscape.
Hell, some of the largest tracts of longleaf pine are on government land.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 5:45 pm to jimbeam
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Agree and disagree. Purposefully holding a few inches of water in rice stubble which was historically prairie land to attract waterfowl is certainly above and beyond normal farming practice. And yes while it may not be the hugest deal to do so from an effort standpoint, it is absolutely a conservation tactic.
Unless you're talking about crawfish ponds, I agree. If they are holding for nothing more than to create habitat for wildlife, that is a great thing. But the fact is, unless they are hunting ducks on those fields, they won't do it. Most of them won't hold water longer than they want to, even if they have good money waved at them. Fields will sit dry for months after crawfish before going into rice again. Most are only doing what makes sense from a monetary standpoint.
Again, I don't fault them. It's a business, they are businessmen. But the guys flooding fields simply for wildlife are few and far between.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 5:58 pm to Cowboyfan89
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longleaf pine
The original size of the LP forest in the Southeast was the same as Montana.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:23 pm to Jim Rockford
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If Yellowstone was in the south, it would have been clear cut and strip mined 100 years ago, and what's left would have hunting camps all over it. Sorry to say, but its true.
If Yellowstone had been anywhere outside of MT, ID, WY it would have been clear cut and strip mined 100 years ago. And what's left would have DR Horton neighborhoods all over it.
Sorry to say, sad but true.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:24 pm to weagle99
I am in no way a liberal but to think that one is a liberal because they care about the environment is idiotic. I think lack of education and politics convince the sheep in the south that there is nothing wrong with destroying the only earth we have.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:35 pm to monstranceclock76
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monstranceclock
Papa bless
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