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re: Will environmental conservation ever become important throughout the South?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:18 am to weagle99
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:18 am to weagle99
It's a combination.
We have a large trashy component that does not respect the environment. Some of those people aren't white rednecks, but plenty are. Other regions have less of the non-redneck trashy component. Most still have rednecks, though.
We generally have mixtures of often-shitty Republican governance and mostly shitty Democratic governance. We don't pay for things because of the Republican governance and we don't do what we pay for well because of the Democratic governance.
In some regions, there are less people throwing trash and more people cleaning up trash because someone pays them to do it as an everyday job. To the extent we have that in the South, it's a much lower quality worker doing a much shittier job.
We have a large trashy component that does not respect the environment. Some of those people aren't white rednecks, but plenty are. Other regions have less of the non-redneck trashy component. Most still have rednecks, though.
We generally have mixtures of often-shitty Republican governance and mostly shitty Democratic governance. We don't pay for things because of the Republican governance and we don't do what we pay for well because of the Democratic governance.
In some regions, there are less people throwing trash and more people cleaning up trash because someone pays them to do it as an everyday job. To the extent we have that in the South, it's a much lower quality worker doing a much shittier job.
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:21 am to Mike da Tigah
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Give it an effort at least
3M with the help of the complicit arm of ADEM(State EPA) dumped banned chemicals in the Tennesse River for 10 years. This came out last week.
Now several counties in N Alabama are having to purchase water from several counties away because the water is poisoned.
All of this info started coming out last year when a non-profit started having the river tested and traced it back to 3M.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:22 am to theOG
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Can you give some specific examples?
Our area had an abandoned railway line that was to be turned into a bike/horse/hiking trail under the Rails to Trails initiative. In other parts of the country, people jump at the chance for something like this. Here, it was like pulling teeth. Some people thought it was some kind of UN conspiracy. Others didn't want "hippies" on "their" property. (Nevermind that the right of way didn't belong to them at all). It finally got done and of course its been beneficial for everybody.
There was also an area nearby of natural rock outcroppings. Very unusual for Louisiana. It could have been a neat state park. Instead they quarried the frick out of it sometime in the sixties or seventies.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:22 am to FunroePete
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saltwater intrusion of marshes/estuaries killing shrimp/crabs
Somebody may need to go back to like 4th grade
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:27 am to Jim Rockford
How does this bike trail thing equate to not caring about environmental conservation?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:27 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Unfortunately, dumping money into coastal restoration is a waste. Unless we destroy the Mississippi's levees and allow flooding to replace the sediment that vegetation uses as substrate, the coast will never return to where it was.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:27 am to weagle99
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ignorance?
Irony
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:27 am to weagle99
It is, we just are intelligent about it and not blaming whitey.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:29 am to weagle99
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most of the population of the region appears to not care about protecting any of it.
Link?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:29 am to weagle99
What are you talking about?
Ducks Unlimited and CCA are huge down here. Wetland protection efforts and maintenance of hunting/fishing area is a huge priority to lots of people. We just don’t believe government crippling of industry is the way to do it.
Ducks Unlimited and CCA are huge down here. Wetland protection efforts and maintenance of hunting/fishing area is a huge priority to lots of people. We just don’t believe government crippling of industry is the way to do it.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:31 am to weagle99
quote:based on?
but most of the population of the region appears to not care about protecting any of it.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:34 am to Jim Rockford
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And only temporarily. The BP outrage was short-lived.
Because the crisis was short lived. The cost is back to as good as, if not better than before the accident. The real issue is the constraining if the MS and not allowing the replenishment of sediment that built the mashes in the first place
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:35 am to Broke
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Yeah I would love to stop coastal erosion by stopping these fricking hurricanes.
That's not how it works.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:35 am to weagle99
There is a ton of conservation efforts. I’m on the Water and soil conservation group for the Delta Council. There are programs that have incentivized farmers without mandating it through legislation to conserve water, and to restore unproductive land into wetlands. CRP programs restore thousands of acres of woods that were logged.
Your post is ignorant. And these efforts have produced great results without harming our economy or needing burdensome regulations
Your post is ignorant. And these efforts have produced great results without harming our economy or needing burdensome regulations
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:35 am to MrLarson
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3M with the help of the complicit arm of ADEM(State EPA) dumped banned chemicals in the Tennesse River for 10 years. This came out last week. Now several counties in N Alabama are having to purchase water from several counties away because the water is poisoned. All of this info started coming out last year when a non-profit started having the river tested and traced it back to 3M.
Yes, and there are places all over the country where this has happened, however, it’s still not examples of people taking a cavalier approach to the environment today, just business and industry doing so. I know there are examples. I’m just waiting on them to begin the discussion. So far though, it’s just been silly regional stereotypes and what I see as ego inflating, self serving nonsense.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:37 am to tigerfoot
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based on?
Just for my area:
Clear cutting of old growth longleaf pine forests
People buying property on rivers and immediately wiping out habitat to help their view
Trash along the roadways
Mounds of shotgun hulls found on dove fields and river banks
‘Why should we do anything to help that stupid endangered fish?’
Truckful after truckful of single use plastic garbage being generated by local restaurants
Pumping millions of gallons of water out of a local river for a mega-farm built on a huge piece of clearcut land that was cleared for that purpose
Etc.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:38 am to theOG
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A vast majority of Louisianans do not throw their beer cans wherever they want.
This.
We have a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. It infuriates me to see trash in our woods, lakes, and bayous. I have a trash bin in my boat and frequently pick up trash out of the waterways.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:39 am to weagle99
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Just for my area:
And where is that?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:39 am to deltaland
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Your post is ignorant. And these efforts have produced great results without harming our economy or needing burdensome regulations
Unpossible. Only government dictate can fix problems. Private individuals are too stupid
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:42 am to fr33manator
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Believe it or not, many southerners are great stewards of the environment. From wetland preservation to gardening to composting, some of the most conservative people are the most environmental friendly.
Liberals fail to understand that farmers, fishermen, hunters, etc want their kids and grandkids to enjoy it as well so we have no choice but to conserve it
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