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re: Why do people think that American doctors are better than other countries?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:03 am to Kujo
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:03 am to Kujo
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My question, if US docs are soo much better, then why are 60 year olds in Cambodia, Peru, Greece, Venezuela, etc, etc expected to live as long as or longer than Americans?
Shithole countries don't have McDonald's and starbucks on every corner to get your sugar fix in the morning and grease fix for lunch.
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:03 am to Kujo
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seems like a simple knee-jerk response because you think it supports your beliefs. but the trend is historic, and most elderly are't part of the supersize me generation. (ps most of the US doesn't have the same fast food per capita that the South 'enjoys')
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:06 am to Kujo
We have higher standards to become a doctor.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:06 am to Kujo
Kujo, the WHO rankings actually take into account much more the quality of care, so your OP is misleading. I encourage you to read up on why those rankings aren’t very reliable.
Furthermore, life expectancy is dependent on things like lifestyle habits, rates of fatal car accidents, suicides, homicides, etc that have nothing to do with health care quality.
Furthermore, life expectancy is dependent on things like lifestyle habits, rates of fatal car accidents, suicides, homicides, etc that have nothing to do with health care quality.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:08 am to Kujo
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Because americans are fat and lazy and unhealthy
seems like a simple knee-jerk response because you think it supports your beliefs. but the trend is historic, and most elderly are't part of the supersize me generation. (ps most of the US doesn't have the same fast food per capita that the South 'enjoys')
The broader point about outcomes having a poor correlation to quality of care is true. It's effectively impossible to control for all the different input variables (diet, environment, etc.) that, in addition to the quality of healthcare, determine outcomes. No serious healthcare analyst or economist would make that argument that you could.
To your point, American medical training is probably the most selective and rigorous of any large developed country in the world.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:27 am to cas4t
quote:He read one article. Anything contrary to that article is a knee-jerk response.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:27 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Understand easily how countries would go up when the fatal injuries are removed.....but makes absolutely no sense at all how any country could go down when fatal injuries are removed. Japan dropped 2.7 years without fatal injuries. No sense whatsoever. If anything all countries should have increased or at very least stayed the same none should have dropped doesn’t seem like
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:29 am to Scruffy
quote:Other than going through nearly a decade of medical training, why are you more qualified than the guy who read one article on the internet?
Scruffy
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:32 am to Kujo
Americacns think everything is better here. Most that think that have never ventured outside the US borders.
We're great in a lot of things, but not the best in everything. Far from it actually.
We're great in a lot of things, but not the best in everything. Far from it actually.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:34 am to Kujo
A better way to measure the health and longevity of citizens of different countries would be to establish experimental groups of people within a certain age range, gender, and body fat percentage. So compare your males age 30-40 with a body fat percentage between 15-20% in the USA compared to those other countries. It would be difficult and expensive as most longitudinal studies are, but it would give you a better idea of how doctors perform.
To mirror what others have said, Americans are generally unhealthy and fat so that brings the overall averages down. I'd be very curious to look at experimental groups of obese people in America compared to obese people in other countries. I bet we'd fare better there, too -- a testimonial of our physicians and healthcare, not an indictment of them.
To mirror what others have said, Americans are generally unhealthy and fat so that brings the overall averages down. I'd be very curious to look at experimental groups of obese people in America compared to obese people in other countries. I bet we'd fare better there, too -- a testimonial of our physicians and healthcare, not an indictment of them.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:16 am to The Spleen
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We're great in a lot of things, but not the best in everything.
Healthcare is one of the things we are in fact the best at.
And I say that as someone who has had the...joy...of experiencing healthcare in other countries. To include European ones.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:21 am to boom roasted
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He read one article. Anything contrary to that article is a knee-jerk response.
website documentation with references, data sharing, etc -27 downvotes
sentence regarding fat American- Gospel
'Murica
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:21 am to Kujo
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US tied for 32nd with "the best" health care? Just ahead of Mexico Qatar, and Lebanon.
Nearly every list that ranks the US this low bases their rankings on "equity" of care. Which is a term used a great deal by communists and socialists.
Basically, these lists say because theres a huge gap between the level of care between rich and poor, that means our healthcare system is "bad". Nevermind that our worst healthcare is really fricking good and the best healthcare we offer is easily the greatest in the world.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:22 am to Kujo
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website documentation with references, data sharing, etc -27 downvotes
Website documentation with cherry-picked references, manipulated data, etc. to push a narrative -27 downvotes
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:35 am to Kujo
Why do so many foreigners come to the USA for treatments and surgeries?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:40 am to Kujo
Provided an explanation from individuals in the medical field as to why those stats are the way they are? Knee-jerk reaction based on a firmly held belief.
One article on the Internet? Gospel.
Hmmm, I wonder if I could find an article listing the United States as top 5 in terms of quality of doctor.
ETA: When your list puts US doctors slightly ahead of Mexico, shouldn’t you question that list?
ETA2: And tell you what, next time you or a family member has a serious medical condition, go give Mexico a shot.
One article on the Internet? Gospel.
Hmmm, I wonder if I could find an article listing the United States as top 5 in terms of quality of doctor.
ETA: When your list puts US doctors slightly ahead of Mexico, shouldn’t you question that list?
ETA2: And tell you what, next time you or a family member has a serious medical condition, go give Mexico a shot.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:49 am to Legion of Doom
And those doctors that come here, basically go through school and residency all over again before they can be licensed in the US. Our standards are far higher than any peer nation.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:13 pm to Cosmo
quote:So no other countries has fat and lazy people? Got it.
Because americans are fat and lazy and unhealthy
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:17 pm to dawgsjw
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So no other countries has fat and lazy people? Got it.
Compared to the US? Nope. We're #1 in everything baw. Including having the biggest fat and lazy populace.
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