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re: Why do people think that American doctors are better than other countries?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:18 pm to Kujo
Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:18 pm to Kujo
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Why do people think that American doctors are better than other countries?
No one thinks this.
The best doctors in the world are trained in the United states of america.
Even a lower tier med school like lsu will produce MD's better than the vast overwhelming majority of countries around the world.
Here's and example of what I'm talking about.
Mick Jagger came to the United states to have a minimally invasive, routine heart procedure he could have easily had in his own country or anywhere in Europe and he did this because he's fricking rich.
Rich people all over the world come to the United states to get shite done they don't dare do in many of those countries you listed. And the quality of jagger's procedure for instance is the same no matter if you have it performed at the mayo clinic or university hospital.
Manager at Walmart or world famous rock star. The quality of care is generally consistent. Not so in the country mick Jagger had the money to escape.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 4:40 pm
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:27 pm to Scruffy
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The US population is significantly more unhealthy than most other countries.
Many of those countries listed though are small nation states and not a "country" the way we understand a country to be.
When you have 327 million people to take care of and not 37 million like Canada for instance, the dynamic changes.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:27 pm to Scruffy
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It is actually amazing how well our healthcare system does with our terribly unhealthy population.
Our healthcare system is good for our ‘healthy’ and insured citizens. However if you have a loved one that ever suffers something terrible like a serious stroke, you will began to realize how our system can be truly shitty. To have a really good doctor tell you that your loved one can get better with time and the right treatment but their insurance simply won’t foot the bill is heart breaking. I’ll go ahead and accept the downvotes from those of you that fortunately haven’t experienced this.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:42 pm to Kujo
Doctors can’t fix bad diets and laziness.
There is a reason docs from all over the world want to come here for training.
There is a reason docs from all over the world want to come here for training.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:02 pm to Kujo
I don’t think long life can be attributed to good or bad doctors, I think genetics has more to do with it.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:20 pm to ashy larry
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Our healthcare system is good for our ‘healthy’ and insured citizens. However if you have a loved one that ever suffers something terrible like a serious stroke, you will began to realize how our system can be truly shitty. To have a really good doctor tell you that your loved one can get better with time and the right treatment but their insurance simply won’t foot the bill is heart breaking. I’ll go ahead and accept the downvotes from those of you that fortunately haven’t experienced this.
Our system is actually well-designed for exactly those situations. Measured treatment quality for events like strokes are terrific in the United States compared to virtually every other OECD country.
If American insurance is telling you it's too expensive given the risk profile, history, necessary treatment, and all that, other OECD systems would definitely tell you to take a hike.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:21 pm to Kujo
Because we have over 400 M people.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:21 pm to Hangit
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am going to guess that he wasn't educated in New Delhi though.
Didn’t say he was. He likely came over here from India to get his medical education and live the American dream. Just saying that the U.S. attracts the best and brightest from other parts of the world to come here and become doctors.
My fertility doctor is a Patel. One of the best in his speciality where I live at. He used to be the head of an entire department at Mayo.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:27 pm to Hangit
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I am going to guess that he wasn't educated in New Delhi though.
Dr Nanda, who many on this board are familiar with, received his medical degree from Madras University.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:34 pm to lsunurse
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U.S. attracts the best and brightest
The greediest. The medical field DOES NOT attract the most intelligent nor the most humble. To get into Med school you have to jump through hoops, volunteer, join the Peace Corp, etc.
The most intelligent people do not elect to jump through hoops and instead would enter math, physics, computer science, engineering.....the one's not intelligent enough choose another science choose Law instead.
Medical draws ONLY those who seek status and money. No amount of hoops can keep the scum from lying and cheating to get that Dr. by their name and the "respect" it draws from low brow people because "damn I heard he makes 300k/year"
The desire for money and status is why we have a pain killer epidemic with people hooked on all sorts of unneeded drugs that they are convinced by the medical community that they need.
When was the last time you saw a surgeon on Jeopardy...wonder why?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:42 pm to Kujo
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When was the last time you saw a surgeon on Jeopardy...wonder why?
The fact you conflate knowledge of trivia and intelligence lets me know all I need to know about your ability to produce informed opinions.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:48 pm to Obtuse1
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The fact you conflate knowledge of trivia and intelligence lets me know all I need to know about your ability to produce informed opinions.
lol, "Do I need that to make money? then i dont care"
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:50 pm to Kujo
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Medical draws ONLY those who seek status and money
You obviously know nothing at all about anyone in the medical field.
I would say someone willing to sacrifice/devote a decade or more of their life(while others their age are living more carefree lives and enjoying their youth) to studying to become a doctor are doing it more than just for money/status.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:08 pm to Kujo
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The most intelligent people do not elect to jump through hoops and instead would enter math, physics, computer science, engineering.
Medical draws ONLY those who seek status and money. No amount of hoops can keep the scum from lying and cheating to get that Dr. by their name
Going full retard now. You know academic medical institutions are full of MD/PhD's that perform medicine, clinical research, basic science research, or some combination of the 3? Go take a glance at the faculty roster for a facility like MD Anderson, where they "jump through hoops" and "choose science". They see patients, they run labs, they manage investigative and therapeutic protocols.
You dont know what the frick you're talking about. You're projecting your ignorant perceptions across an entire industry. Your OP was, at least, a reasonable conversation to have. But now you just sound lazy and stupid.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:15 pm to lsunurse
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would say someone willing to sacrifice/devote a decade or more of their life(while others their age are living more carefree lives and enjoying their youth) to studying to become a doctor are doing it more than just for money/status.
4 more years of school then you start working. 1-2 years longer than I guess most masters programs. big whoop
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:22 pm to MSMHater
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You're projecting your ignorant perceptions across an entire industry.
Okay, search a similarly populated "science" based job, and Google news search "doctor arrested" and for example "chemist arrested"
which has more hits. greed manifests itself.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:26 pm to Kujo
There’s a difference between doctors and healthcare
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:33 pm to MSMHater
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MSMHater
Which science profession has the most shaved arms?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:34 pm to Kujo
Doctors can't force someone to live a healthy lifestyle bruh
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:59 am to Kujo
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U.S. attracts the best and brightest
The greediest. The medical field DOES NOT attract the most intelligent nor the most humble. To get into Med school you have to jump through hoops, volunteer, join the Peace Corp, etc.
The most intelligent people do not elect to jump through hoops and instead would enter math, physics, computer science, engineering.....the one's not intelligent enough choose another science choose Law instead.
Medical draws ONLY those who seek status and money. No amount of hoops can keep the scum from lying and cheating to get that Dr. by their name and the "respect" it draws from low brow people because "damn I heard he makes 300k/year"
The desire for money and status is why we have a pain killer epidemic with people hooked on all sorts of unneeded drugs that they are convinced by the medical community that they need.
When was the last time you saw a surgeon on Jeopardy...wonder why?
Jesus, this is a whole ton of stupid all packaged into one post.
For starters, at the most elite schools, the greediest and most power hungry tend to congregate into three groups:
- Investment bankers/management consultants cum MBAs
- JDs
- Entrepreneurs arrogant enough to think they can make a billion by 30
Doctors tend to have a limited cap on lifetime income, so status and money tend to not play much of a role, especially these days in the post-PPACA world.
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