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What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:33 am
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:33 am
Fair warning, not an easy topic to discuss but one where I thought there could be some good discussion. A good friend of mine had a one night stand probably about 2 months ago. He said it was a good evening and she was into having sex with him so they did it. Sure enough, now she's saying she was drunk that night and that he sexually assaulted her. Sounds like she's just trying to get money. He's already lawyered up, but suffice to say he's terrified and losing his mind right now.
We all know the #MeToo movement had dramatic changes to dating and relationships. One of the primary areas that was addressed during #MeToo was the idea of "consent".
While it may have been a needed discussion, I never felt like what counted as "consent" was ever truly fleshed out. As a man, it's like changing the rules of the game at halftime but not telling either side what the new rules are. One of the big changes is especially the way that women have said "consent can be removed at any time". I don't disagree with that, I think both sides have the right to revoke consent at any time, but it creates some problems.
Now before people here start yelling "consent should be easy to spot", I would argue it actually isn't easy at all. Here are some scenarios:
- (My friend's scenario): Man and Woman want to hook up but both are drunk. By legal standards, neither can actually "consent" right? So if they have sex, did they both sexually assault each other? How would that even work legally?
- Man and Woman hook up. Halfway through sex the woman doesn't feel it anymore and revokes consent. It takes the man 3 - 4 seconds to get his "equipment" outside of her and get off of her. Did that man officially sexually assault her for those 3 - 4 seconds?
- Man and Woman hook up but woman regrets it the next day when she sees the man she had sex with isn't nearly as attractive as his was hanging out with her under dim lights. She decides it's a man should would have never had sex with normally. Could the woman consider that man to have sexually assaulted her?
These are just a few examples of how "consent" isn't as black and white as most people, especially women, think it is. So how do we, as a society, have a genuine discussion on what is and isn't consent?
I know there aren't many, but there are a few women on here. For those women in particular, I would love to hear what your thoughts are on the scenarios above and if you consider them sexual assault or not.
And how do we make consent better in the future? Are we going to get to the point where there needs to be documentation of the consent? I know after #MeToo there were some ideas of creating apps to allow consent, but it didn't really get anywhere. Plus I'm sure they wouldn't have been admissible in court.
Is it time that we revisit creating apps to consent to sex? And that consent should have to be renewed, say, every 30 minutes? And that, with certain security procedures in place, those apps would be able to be admissible in court?
Is this going to be another factor that causes men to just "check out" and go to the AI girlfriend route instead of having dates and relationships with actual women?
What does consent look like to you? What steps should both men and women take to protect themselves and ensure the other party is consenting? Do we need legal documentation to protect both sides?
We all know the #MeToo movement had dramatic changes to dating and relationships. One of the primary areas that was addressed during #MeToo was the idea of "consent".
While it may have been a needed discussion, I never felt like what counted as "consent" was ever truly fleshed out. As a man, it's like changing the rules of the game at halftime but not telling either side what the new rules are. One of the big changes is especially the way that women have said "consent can be removed at any time". I don't disagree with that, I think both sides have the right to revoke consent at any time, but it creates some problems.
Now before people here start yelling "consent should be easy to spot", I would argue it actually isn't easy at all. Here are some scenarios:
- (My friend's scenario): Man and Woman want to hook up but both are drunk. By legal standards, neither can actually "consent" right? So if they have sex, did they both sexually assault each other? How would that even work legally?
- Man and Woman hook up. Halfway through sex the woman doesn't feel it anymore and revokes consent. It takes the man 3 - 4 seconds to get his "equipment" outside of her and get off of her. Did that man officially sexually assault her for those 3 - 4 seconds?
- Man and Woman hook up but woman regrets it the next day when she sees the man she had sex with isn't nearly as attractive as his was hanging out with her under dim lights. She decides it's a man should would have never had sex with normally. Could the woman consider that man to have sexually assaulted her?
These are just a few examples of how "consent" isn't as black and white as most people, especially women, think it is. So how do we, as a society, have a genuine discussion on what is and isn't consent?
I know there aren't many, but there are a few women on here. For those women in particular, I would love to hear what your thoughts are on the scenarios above and if you consider them sexual assault or not.
And how do we make consent better in the future? Are we going to get to the point where there needs to be documentation of the consent? I know after #MeToo there were some ideas of creating apps to allow consent, but it didn't really get anywhere. Plus I'm sure they wouldn't have been admissible in court.
Is it time that we revisit creating apps to consent to sex? And that consent should have to be renewed, say, every 30 minutes? And that, with certain security procedures in place, those apps would be able to be admissible in court?
Is this going to be another factor that causes men to just "check out" and go to the AI girlfriend route instead of having dates and relationships with actual women?
What does consent look like to you? What steps should both men and women take to protect themselves and ensure the other party is consenting? Do we need legal documentation to protect both sides?
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 9:37 am
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:36 am to TheMagicMan
In reality not much has really changed
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:37 am to TheMagicMan
quote:
Is it time that we revisit creating apps to consent to sex?
Ignoring the majority of your insane post, WTF is this suggestion? Just what we need, more bullshite “innovation” that actually doesn’t do a damn thing.
No more apps please. Honestly, for anything.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:38 am to TheMagicMan
Holy shite dude. That might be more words in any one post I've ever seen on here in 20 years.
Needless to say, TLDR. Sorry
Needless to say, TLDR. Sorry
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:39 am to TheMagicMan
I have a notary on speed dial, one with 24 hour service for this issue.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:39 am to TheMagicMan
Have it written/typed, signed by both parties, witnessed by 2, notarized, oh yeah, and in triplicate so the consenting party can have their copy.
This might be sufficient. MAYBE…
This might be sufficient. MAYBE…
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:40 am to TheMagicMan
It's a puzzle.
Be careful out there.
Be careful out there.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:43 am to Cotten
quote:
Ignoring the majority of your insane post, WTF is this suggestion? Just what we need, more bullshite “innovation” that actually doesn’t do a damn thing.
No more apps please. Honestly, for anything.
I mean I agree, I don't want more apps either. But then how do people (both men and women) protect themselves? Are we going to get to the point where any sex has to be recorded in case it's needed in future litigation? Is there where we're going to as a society? That's far more of a pain than an app.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:43 am to TheMagicMan
I read a article awhile back that kind of touched on this area. It wasn't specific just about consent but more about how young people are not hooking up or getting into relationship at near the rate as previous generations and it most of the reasons was all of the bullshite that goes along with it now adays.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:44 am to TheMagicMan
I feel like this is a bot post but one time in a thread like this ten years ago or more I got a warning message for posting about a “paper bag test” for whether these cases are real or not
In light of guys like Harvey Weinstein and what’s going on in England I think a religion test should be added too
In light of guys like Harvey Weinstein and what’s going on in England I think a religion test should be added too
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:46 am to el Gaucho
quote:
I feel like this is a bot post but one time in a thread like this ten years ago or more I got a warning message for posting about a “paper bag test” for whether these cases are real or not
In light of guys like Harvey Weinstein and what’s going on in England I think a religion test should be added too
I understand, but I can assure you it's a real thing happening. This is not some bot post or some hypothetical. I just think it's something where, the rules were thrown out during #MeToo but there were never any new rules genuinely established.
If you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by a religious test?
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:46 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
most of the reasons was all of the bullshite that goes along with it now adays.
It has nothing to do with consent and the problem is dating apps and people dont gather and meet anymore.
Plus young people do not drink alcohol which also cuts the bad decisions down massively.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:48 am to TheMagicMan
quote:
He said it was
For starters, your info is coming from above.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:51 am to TheMagicMan
quote:Of course he's gtg, you never heard of the 5 second rule?
Halfway through sex the woman doesn't feel it anymore and revokes consent. It takes the man 3 - 4 seconds to get his "equipment" outside of her and get off of her. Did that man officially sexually assault her for those 3 - 4 seconds?
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:51 am to TheMagicMan
How did this shitty post get 4 upvotes?
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:58 am to TheMagicMan
Hooking up is risky, period.
Either date someone or buy a hooker.
I do think it’s whack that two, drunk, consenting adults can participate and the next day the woman can claim something because she’d been drinking.
Either date someone or buy a hooker.
I do think it’s whack that two, drunk, consenting adults can participate and the next day the woman can claim something because she’d been drinking.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 10:00 am to TheMagicMan
The only hypothetical you listed that’s actually complicated is the first one. The rest are clear “no”.
As for the first, it’s complicated because there are a few competing societal wants:
1. We want consent given to stay given until it’s revoked
2. We want someone who is too intoxicated to consent to be protected
3. We don’t want someone to be able to claim they were too intoxicated to consent of the other person was too intoxicated to consent, as it creates a massive loophole in #2
I’m not going to spill a bunch of ink on it, as I don’t really have any good answers. With that said, I’ll give one bit of advice to people still out there: you probably shouldn’t have drunken one night stands these days. One nightstands are fine; drunken sex is fine; combining the two appears to be a recipe for disaster at this point.
As for the first, it’s complicated because there are a few competing societal wants:
1. We want consent given to stay given until it’s revoked
2. We want someone who is too intoxicated to consent to be protected
3. We don’t want someone to be able to claim they were too intoxicated to consent of the other person was too intoxicated to consent, as it creates a massive loophole in #2
I’m not going to spill a bunch of ink on it, as I don’t really have any good answers. With that said, I’ll give one bit of advice to people still out there: you probably shouldn’t have drunken one night stands these days. One nightstands are fine; drunken sex is fine; combining the two appears to be a recipe for disaster at this point.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 10:03 am to TheMagicMan
I don’t think an app would work. Someone could always claim they agreed under duress.
Clearly the answer is to carry a breathalyzer and wear a body cam 24/7 to prove enthusiastic consent.
Really, I have no answer. Women who claim sexual assault because they regret agreeing after the fact take away legitimacy from people who were actually assaulted.
Clearly the answer is to carry a breathalyzer and wear a body cam 24/7 to prove enthusiastic consent.
Really, I have no answer. Women who claim sexual assault because they regret agreeing after the fact take away legitimacy from people who were actually assaulted.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 10:05 am to RichJ
So what if she claims she was drunk during OP’’s scenario?
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