TheMagicMan

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So you want government regulating business even more?

If you dont like a cashless business then dont give them business

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I can throw that right back at you. You're so against government mandating what most Americans would agree with, that Companies should be legally required to accept cash or at least a cash equivalent (Zelle, ACH charge, etc.).

I get why the Companies want to do it. But I don't buy the "if you don't like a cashless business then don't give them business". That's exactly how a lot of Americans get shut out of major parts of the American economy. That's exactly how you get a forced cashless society.

But yet you're okay with daddy government knowing your every single move and every single purchase. Talk about hypocritical.

I know it's been brought up here before but I wanted to bring it up again.

It was less than a decade ago where there were major fights, including laws in cities such as NYC, that mandated that cash has to be accepted at businesses. It has long been established that cash is legal tender.

Yet more and more cash is essentially being banned. It's been the case at NFL stadiums and NHL arenas for awhile (I haven't been to an NBA or MLB game in years but I'm sure it's the same), but at least they would typically have one concession that was cash or a cash ATM that would give you a debit card to use at the games.

But more and more they are trying to essentially outlaw cash. Many small businesses now do not allow cash. Hotels technically allow cash, but you still have to put a credit card on file for incidentals/damages. Cruise ships are all cashless.

I bring this up because I just scheduled a doctors appointment, and even while scheduling, they bring up that cash payments are not accepted.

I know why they are doing it (a cashless society destroyed anonymity and lets them know pretty much everything about you and is just another way of tracking you) and honestly, most of the time I pay with a credit card anyway to get cash back. But how has this become so widespread and legal in just the last decade? Is it not legally required anymore that businesses have to accept cash as legal tender?

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Anyways--I'm writing too much of an essay here. I don't think it's going to get better for a long time. And I do worry about the future when men feel so ostracized by women that they feel the need to retaliate.

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Great points. I remember that line from Ellie Sattler in Jurassic Park. Meant to be a throwaway line, but a good example of some of the toxic aspects of Feminism. Women like to talk about "toxic masculinity" all the time without ever acknowledging that there can also be "toxic femininity".

I wish I could be more optimistic myself, but I share your view. I think it's going to get A LOT WORSE before it gets better. Within 2 generations I could easily see men and women essentially living in two different societies. Not in terms of physical separation. Men and Women will still interact with each other at work, within family functions and in the occasional social function. But otherwise men and women will live different lives and really won't even consider each other as potential partners. The rates of gay and lesbian relationships will skyrocket. But more than that, a lot of men and women will just become asexual.

I don't think men will retaliate as much as they will just continue to isolate and retreat. But that will have significant social impacts, such as the following:

- Men will no longer be willing to join the military to defend their country.
- Men will no longer attempt to intervene when a woman is in danger.
- Men will no longer show any respect to a woman that they wouldn't show to a fellow man (opening doors, giving up a seat on a train/subway, etc.)
- Men will no longer seek positions of responsibility as much.
- Men will no longer seek public service, such as joining police/fire departments or being involved with a community church.
- Men will no longer be active in their communities (retreating to individual outdoor hobbies like hunting, fishing or hiking or indoor hobbies like gaming where they do not have to leave their house/condo/apartment).
- Men will supplement women with AI girlfriends, AI sexbots and AI porn.

Men will essentially withdraw from society. And with that, economies will crumble and loneliness will skyrocket.

The only way I see men actively retaliating against women is if women try to destroy that peace. If women see men are happy with their friends, hobbies and AI companions and try to take that away. That is when it could get violent.

But I agree I don't see it getting better in the near future. Look at Japan and South Korea. That's the route we're going.

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Honest, no snark question: Wouldn’t dating apps help? I mean, they would see what they are getting, you don’t have to worry about the approach, and it’s self selecting in the sense that the women on the apps are also looking for a relationship.

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Dating apps are awful for a guy. I actually did a test earlier this year. I flat out liked 200 women on a dating app. I didn't even look at their profile, just flat out swiped right on 200 women.

3 of those women matched with me. Out of those 3, 2 ended up being bots/scammers that were clearly just going to ask for money eventually. And the 1 who was legitimate never responded after my first message.

Dating apps flat out destroy men. Dating apps are what have caused many women to have unrealistic standards. And it's because of the psychology that there might be a better man just one swipe away. Dating apps were part of the study that showed women voted 80% of men as below average. In my honest opinion, dating apps are a big part of the problem.

But to answer your question, I have tried multiple dating apps. I've had a few dates here and there but nothing has genuinely come from them. And dating apps can easily make you feel really bad about yourself.

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Also, the current college demographics are slanted towards more women than men. Most colleges break along the lines of 60% female and 40% male. Think about that for a second. If each sex paired off equally with the other, 33% of girls would be left out alone. That thought troubles me quite a bit.

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What makes it worse is, even with the 60/40 gender imbalance, the bottom 80% of those males won't get a chance with any woman at their college. Remember, on average, women rate 80% of men as below average. That's where the 80/20 rule comes into play.

The top 20% of men have more women available to them than ever before. But this also means those men don't have to commit. And unless the woman is also in the top 20%, those top 20% men are going to use those women as a one night stand or something casual.

So the top 20% of men will have a better experience with women and stay in the game. Whereas a huge majority of the bottom 80% of men will have a negative experience with women and largely just give up by their mid or late 20s. And we're already seeing that.

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Aren’t you the guy from the other thread who was having a miserable time with women?

It’s starting to make a lot more sense now.

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I've been hurt by women, yes. And I'll admit, for myself, I've given up ever finding a woman.

I'm 5'8" and slightly overweight (which I am working on). Those two factors alone make me invisible to women. If I approached a woman at the bar, I know I would be risking losing my career and livelihood. Never mind that would be a bar I could never go back to.

If I really wanted to I know I'd have to probably go to Eastern Europe or Asia. But, like many men now, is that even worth it?

I'm 42, but having to be in the current dating game, I've really come to understand what the 18 - 34 male group has to deal with and it can be depressing even for the most confidant man.

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I think the main issue is that average white women want absolutely nothing to do with an average man.

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100% agree. The average 5 or 6 woman thinks she deserves a 9 or 10 man. And she realistically thinks she can get it because she had a one night stand with a 9 or 10 man two years ago. Ignore the fact that man sleeps with a different woman every night and had forgotten the average 5 or 6 woman's name by 8 a.m. the next morning. That average 5 or 6 woman now thinks she deserves that 9 or 10 man.

The biggest problem is that it's beaten into young women's minds from grade school not to "settle". Women have become obsessed with "not settling". Yet many women have used the excuse of "not settling" to have unrealistic standards.

There's a major difference in not settling and having realistic standards. An average 5 or 6 woman expecting a 9 or 10 man who makes $200,000/year in finance, has six pack abs, is 6 ft tall and is both masculine and manly but also caring and always there is not a realistic standard. Yet many women think if the man is anything less than what I just described above, that they are "settling".

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It depends if the advance is wanted or not. If the advance is wanted then it’s ok, if not then it’s sexual harassment. How does the man know neforehand? If you’re ugly or short you are a “creep”, if you are >6 ft and cute then you may approach.

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And that's another problem. The response is all based off the man's attractiveness.

A 6 ft handsome, 6 pack ab man can go up to a woman, grab her in the a** and there's still a good chance she'll hang out with him or even sleep with him.

A non 6 ft, average attractiveness man goes up to the same woman, is very respectful and tries to actually talk to her, we all know what happens next. HOW DARE YOU, HARASSMENT, GET HIM KICKED OUT, I'M PRESSING CHARGES AND DESTROYING HIS LIFE.

If you notice though, we haven't talked about the woman in this scenario. This women is a 6 at best, completely average and $30,000 in student loan debt. The woman will scream "love me and accept me for who I am", yet she absolutely judges men by superficial characteristics.

Even the 4, 5, 6 women with a kid and $30,000 in student loan debt think they deserve the 9 or 10 man who is 6 ft, 6 pack abs, 6 size and has a $200,000/year job in finance.

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It’s funny in a sad sort of way that they still analyze it through the prism of feminism. Despite seeing the outcome they continue a gynocentric approach to assigning blame, “men haven’t figured out how to proceed after me too”. Actually, men have and decided that the cost of participating was greater than the reward. In a society where women, on a whim, can retroactively change their feelings from lust to disgust after the fact, the only way for a man to safely navigate it is to not participate at all.

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I mean a lot of men sadly still want to participate in the modern dating game. I get it, it can get lonely not having a relationship. So for those men I feel bad, because they have no guidance on how to proceed after MeToo.

Like you said though, a lot of us men have figured it out. That it's no longer a game worth playing. That the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

And women don't realize how much worse it's going to get. Look at South Korea, 0.72 birth rate in 2023, well below replacement rate. We're going the same route as South Korea. Once AI girlfriends actually become a thing (and not a glorified chat bot), I think it's over for women.

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Just one women’s perspective here, and perhaps it is generational (I’m Gen X). The feminist movement never resonated with me. I always wanted to be a stay at home mom “one day”. When I did work if a co-worker said I was hot or asked me out, I was flattered as frick (it happened a time or two back in the day). I never had a man threaten to fire me if I didn’t do him “favors” as the narrative goes. These poor guys were bending over backwards to make sure I made Partner and celebrated my very minor benchmarks (like routine promotions) with dumb awards and emails because I’m a woman. That was more insulting to me than being hit on.

The largest impact feminism has on me is that I chose to stay home and raise three amazing children to adulthood, with all the sleepless nights, sports, school projects.. and yet I feel judged as lazy by society for not also maintaining a career at the same time.

If a stranger came up to me now and said I was hot or asked me out, I’d milk that flattery for the rest of my days.

Take that for what it’s worth.

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I think it is somewhat generational and you sound like one of the few good women out there. Your man is a lucky one.

But you now have almost two entire generations of women (younger half of Millennials and all of Gen Z) who have been told almost their entire lives that men are these out of control predators. That all men are going to r*pe you. That all men are dangerous.

Women hate when they are generalized, and yet younger Millennials and all of Gen Z will absolutely generalize all Men and think all Men are the same.

And the last part you said is the problem now. Like you said, if a man approached you now, as long as it was respectful you would be flattered by it.

So many Millennial and Gen Z women, if a man did that to them, those men are blasted on their next TikTok or YouTube video. Those women would say that man was harassing them. That man could lose his job and entire livelihood. That's why for so many men it's no longer worth the risk to approach.

Manosphere Highlights Daily - Female Researchers Starting To See The Damage

Great video here for those of who acknowledge the damage Feminism and #MeToo has caused and the damage it's done to how men and women interact with each other. The relationships between men and women have really broken down quite badly.

Over the last three months I've really gotten into these Manosphere Highlights Daily videos. They put the truth out there that hardly anyone else wants to talk about.

Your thoughts? Anyone else here watch these videos and find them as fascinating as I do?