re: USA has lost its last two major wars

Why are we still even in Iraq? What would happen if we left Iraq? I feel like if we pulled out, Iraq and the Middle East might really blow up, but I don’t think we should still be over there

We had all the watches, the taliban had all the time

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The problem is we have the capability to win every single war both quickly and decisively but we don’t have the balls to do that anymore.

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In other words, “political correctness”. It’s going to be this country’s downfall.

We need a new coach. Fire coach o

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We kicked the ever living shite out of the Iraqis and we owned Afghanistan until the American people lost the will to fight.

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More like we lost will to have military presence during a rebuild for decades. We messed up thinking both could be like Germans and Japanese after war over and a Marshallesque plan rebuild would be respected by the people. We also went easier on Iraq and Afghanistan than both Japan and Germany had it towards the end.

Muslims/Arabs (its combo of both) only show and act respectful towards those they fear. They are also as good as blacks at victimhood and also good at faking being friendly while waiting for opportunity to slit your throat. We tried to overly prove to world that we were not conquerers, not about oil, and wanted to leave them better than before. We empowered both the victimhood and the throat slitting attributes of their culture when an iron fist approach was needed.

In future with other similar countries hit them hard like we did for both to take out leadership groups, take out abilities to strike back, and then let them rebuild themselves and sit back and carpet bomb every damn time they act up until they don’t. Boots on ground may have to happen, but it’s would be to punch them in the face, destroy whatever they aren’t supposed to be doing, and then right back out. No rebuild. No police action. No caring. Dominant and bully them and don’t care what press says until it’s no longer needed.

We had respect of the Middle East with how easily we dealt with Saddam and ran taliban off into the mountains. We lost it trying to nation build and be nice. They aren’t the people you do this with.

The way Afghanistan has happened now has just made us more likely to be targeted here.

Parking lot for both if a next time has to happen for either.

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These weren’t wars, they were ‘conflicts’ in which we attempted to install new political systems.

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To think, W. Bush ran a campaign on foreign policy that was going to be less interventionist. The Bushes were the worst thing to ever happen to the Republican Party.

I have news for you. We have never lost a war yet. We’ve lost the will to continue fighting, but our military has not lost a war. Even in Vietnam, we didn’t lose the war. Matter of fact, we never lost a damn battle. We became weak minded and lost the will to fight, brought out troops home, but the military didn’t lose the war. Losing a war means you capitulate and sign terms of surrender. That’s not happened. That’s never happened.

We didn't lose a battle.


We lost the war.



Deal with it.


You’re kind of thick as a brick up there huh?

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We tried to overly prove to world that we were not conquerers, not about oil,

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How?


Our own populace doesn't believe this BS, so why would the rest of the world?

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We had respect of the Middle East with how easily we dealt with Saddam and ran taliban off into the mountains. We lost it trying to nation build and be nice. They aren’t the people you do this with.

The way Afghanistan has happened now has just made us more likely to be targeted here.

Parking lot for both if a next time has to happen for either.

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No we didn't.


We kept abandoning our allies over there, and kept trying to make them puppet states.

That doesn't garner Respect. If you think it does, then you should research Vichy France.

Because that's exactly what we were trying to do over there.

fought to perfection .....

I guess you forgot about the relentless, but ineffectual bombing campaign that actually strengthened the resolve and will of the people. Conventional tactics from leadership of conventional wars before them ... the brutal massacre at My Lai and hundreds like them. Pushing the bombing into Cambodia helping to fuel the rise of the Khmer Rouge. And on and on.

What battle did the US really win? And body count is not a indicator when you are fighting a country so determined to get its independence back and is willing to lose 10 for your every 1. Hue? yeh that was a good one. Khe Sanh? Another swashbuckling American victory.

and to the idiot who wonders who won based on what Vietnam is like today. Well, Vietnam is pretty incredible actually if you ever get a chance to go to Da Lat, Hue, Saigon, Hanoi and on and on.