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re: US Women’s National Team will get half of money won by USMNT at World Cup

Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:15 pm to
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And the fact that they picked that exact time frame when the men werent playing in the World Cup.

They weren't playing because they didn't make the cut
Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:27 pm to
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only if the paint drying channel is off the air


I just got the impression the men don't get that high a ratings either, but again....just asking cause I don't know.
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:30 pm to
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And when the men don't play in the world cup they don't earn that revenue


The men could make only 1 out of 5 world cups and as long as they made the Group of 16, would still bring in more than 4 consecutive world championships from the women
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:34 pm to
The USWNT also plays significantly more games than the men’s team.

The women’s soccer season is around 22 games long, the men 38 games. You ever wonder why the women’s league play significantly less games than the men’s leagues?

So with that out of the way, that allows them to play more international games because the players aren’t tied up with their actual full-time job. And even with all those extra games and the USMNT not getting Word Cup revenue, the USWNT only made close to about $2 million more.

Y’all have been hoodwinked by cherry picked statistics that can’t hold up in court, which is why they lost their lawsuit, and a narrative that because the USWNT is better in their field comparatively to USMNT in its field, that they are somehow better and deserve more money.

You want more money? Generate more revenue.
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:35 pm to
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Just because I don't know - do the US Women get comparable t.v. ratings when they play in the World Cup vs. men or even better? Is attendance comparable?


1. USA-England the other day got 20 million Nationwide

2. The Women's Final in 2019 was 18 million


There's no telling how embarrassing this comparison gets when worldwide viewership is calculated
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted by mytigger
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:38 pm to
LO fricking L.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69502 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:43 pm to
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The USWNT have made more in the last week that they did in those two tournaments combined.


so stupid
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87181 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:48 pm to
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the men's team agreed to these terms so be it
For fear of being thrashed by media and a Twitter bot mob.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:51 pm to
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Of course the women want this, they get to do nothing and reap the benefits

The mens team should’ve said frick off, win and make your own damn money and don’t come after ours since you did nothing for it


On its face, it would seem you’re right, but seeing as how the men didn’t even qualify for the last World Cup and have been pretty irrelevant for most of my life, I’m not sure they’re not getting the better end of the deal long-term. Half of $13 million for qualifying for the round of 16 is certainly a big difference than half of $4 million for winning it. But half of $0 is still $0.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:53 pm to
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For fear of being thrashed by media and a Twitter bot mob.

Yep. The USWNT had better benefits and a much higher revenue share of what they brought in. They just wanted a piece of the men's share as well. As soon as the Men didn't qualify in 2018 they went public with their woe is me stunt and started pushing 2015-2018 then 2015-2019 numbers where they had slightly more revenue with two world cups vs none for the men. They picked the perfect time and the masses are just unintelligent enough to not know why they are upset, but muh gender pay gap.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:00 pm to
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have been pretty irrelevant for most of my life

How old are you? While pre-1990 the US may as well not have had a national team this millenia the US has a quarter final and two round of 16 appearances in the five World Cups they have qualified for, and have only missed the one. Not a world power, but improving to be a top 20 nation and with a pipeline of young talent that could see that become a top 12 team by the next world cup. Add in that that world cup will be at home which started the relevancy of the sport stateside and launched MLS effectively the last time we hosted, and the Men will conceivably be getting the very short end of the stick with this new deal as it will be the expectation from the Women moving forward.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:02 pm to
Some good ole boys are getting robbed.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13416 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:04 pm to
All soccer players are women.


Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:05 pm to
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They weren't playing because they didn't make the cut


I love that you think this helps your point. If anything it shows how much less the women bring in when even at its most skewed they need "equality" to get equal pay
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:07 pm to
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but seeing as how the men didn’t even qualify for the last World Cup and have been pretty irrelevant for most of my life, I’m not sure they’re not getting the better end of the deal long-term.


You don't have a clue what you're talking about
Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:22 pm to
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1. USA-England the other day got 20 million Nationwide

2. The Women's Final in 2019 was 18 million


There's no telling how embarrassing this comparison gets when worldwide viewership is calculated




Thanks G - and attendance?
Posted by WuShock
Metairie
Member since Aug 2018
1386 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:28 pm to
The USWNT has generally outperformed the USMNT. There are a few issues that people in this thread don’t seem to understand:
1. The USWNT negotiated their previous contract. They were offered a similar salary-structure as the men and refused it because it didn’t guarantee as many people a salary. They got a lump sum salary if they were named to any of the USWNT rosters during the year. It didn’t matter if you played one game or ten games. With the other structure, they would only get paid for the games they played. Nothing if you didn’t. They chose the guaranteed money over the risk/reward option.
2. All of their benefits and league salaries are paid by the USSF. They get health benefits from the federation while the men get theirs from their club teams. Even if their take home salaries equal, they still have additional benefits from the federation that the men’s team doesn’t get.

I’m all for finding a payment structure that works for both sides, but when you complain about a contract you negotiated because you realize you messed up, I’m not sure a massive overcorrection is the answer. The USMNT had no choice but to say yes, and they’re honestly a group of great guys who support the growth of the game they love. It’s just unfair they were put into a situation where they could be villains if they had said no.
Posted by ManWithNoNsme
Member since Feb 2022
924 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:30 pm to
Yeah, frick that. How about sucking dick for extra income?
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
5073 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:35 pm to
Who is the “women’s national team”? I’m sure it’s based on who has been called up recently, but that’s a dumb way to go about it and will be abused. If they can’t make the men’s team, they shouldn’t get the men’s money.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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68765 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:46 pm to
Men carrying the weaker women as usual.
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