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re: This is a good this is a good article on seed oils It has corporate greed, AMA, and ….
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:36 am to rltiger
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:36 am to rltiger
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The American Heart Association
That's wild, man. Watched a documentary not long ago and they are still at it. They still have beef and pork recipes on their "healthy recipes." The documentarian guy interviewed an American Heart Association executive and had him cornered and had the paper trail of donations from Tyson and whoever else, and the executive got up and walked out of the interview.
And then apparently there's this...
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:36 am to rltiger
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Avocado
Yep, love it.
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butter
Even better. I use it almost exclusively. Since getting away from those shitty seed oils, what I thought was maybe arthritis turned out to be inflammation from that shite in my diet.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:39 am to rltiger
A couple of months ago I was wondering what happened to the Crisco spiral bound cook book that my Grandmother got for sending in a couple of proofs of purchase. It sat on a specific table under her Joy of Cooking book.
What did she do with the fat off of meat she cooked? She saved it in a Crisco can and a local man would collect it everysooften and turn it into soap and give her a couple of bars of soap for washing dishes.
What did she do with the fat off of meat she cooked? She saved it in a Crisco can and a local man would collect it everysooften and turn it into soap and give her a couple of bars of soap for washing dishes.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 11:29 am to rltiger
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accidentally created the largest dietary change in human history.
accident, yea lets go with accident.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 11:43 am to rltiger
Once you go down the rabbit hole of what's in the U.S. manufactured food supply, you can't ever go back. Reading Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food was life-changing for me.
Shop the perimeter of the grocery store, and eat real food as close to the way God made it.
Shop the perimeter of the grocery store, and eat real food as close to the way God made it.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 3:42 pm to rltiger
This is a good summary of the "Big Fat Surprise" argument. The history of how the AHA got its funding is definitely worth looking into, as it shows how corporate sponsorship can shift public health narratives for decades. Even if you don't think seed oils are "toxic," it’s hard to deny that the transition from butter to hydrogenated fats was a massive, unplanned experiment on the public.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 3:52 pm to Oates Mustache
I use butter mostly.
I grew up watching my grandfather fry bacon, cook eggs in the grease, and then put the skillet in the fridge for breakfast the next day.
Pretty sure he made it to 90.
I grew up watching my grandfather fry bacon, cook eggs in the grease, and then put the skillet in the fridge for breakfast the next day.
Pretty sure he made it to 90.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 4:01 pm to TBoy
One of the main culprits in all these seed oils is linoleic acid. It doesn't take much to cause very unhealthy inflammation, and it damages our mitochondria. Dr. Joseph Mercola says we need to not consume more than 5 grams a day, which is not very much.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 4:06 pm to ponyman
I use Canola oil to make my rouxs for gumbo. Can I use lard instead? Never tried it.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 4:51 pm to rltiger
Problem with these articles, and people like the OP that chose a side with zero critical thinking or due diligence, is that they get very basic facts wrong, like the difference between partial and full hydrogenation.
Well except P&G did no such thing in their reformulation, they divested themselves of Crisco and Jif well over 20 years ago. J.M. Smucker reformulated Crisco in 2007 and today uses soybean oil, fully hydrogenated palm oil, and palm oil. Full hydrogenation introduces little to no transfats, partial hydrogenation introduces a lot of transfats.
Some do, some do not. Many are extremely resistant to oxidation, like Crisco, which I have used to season my cast iron.
Eggs are rich in Omega-6 too. So are a lot of nuts that were/are a major portion of the diets of humans in antiquity so that assertion is pretty much all bullshite.
As for inflammation:
Link
Like the demand for oils and fats didn't outstrip supply due to burgeoning population and industrialization. Demand outstripped supply and that's what drove efforts into the processes that turned waste into something useful. Which is the case for any number of things we use today, for better or worse.
She also cooked everthing in a big copper pot lined with leaded tin. I know because that copper pot is still in my family and I had it professionally re-tinned (with pure tin) over 10 years ago and the shop that did the work said it still had some of the original lining that had a lot of lead in it. Thankfully it never was used to cook with in my lifetime and is still only a decorative piece of top of the pot rack.
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Procter & Gamble's response: Quietly reformulate without admission of error. Remove hydrogenation, keep selling seed oils, never acknowledge that their "heart-healthy" product spent seven decades actively causing the disease it claimed to prevent.
Well except P&G did no such thing in their reformulation, they divested themselves of Crisco and Jif well over 20 years ago. J.M. Smucker reformulated Crisco in 2007 and today uses soybean oil, fully hydrogenated palm oil, and palm oil. Full hydrogenation introduces little to no transfats, partial hydrogenation introduces a lot of transfats.
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These oils oxidise rapidly when heated.
Some do, some do not. Many are extremely resistant to oxidation, like Crisco, which I have used to season my cast iron.
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They're rich in omega-6 fatty acids that promote inflammation. They've never existed in human diets at current consumption levels.
Eggs are rich in Omega-6 too. So are a lot of nuts that were/are a major portion of the diets of humans in antiquity so that assertion is pretty much all bullshite.
As for inflammation:
Link
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But they're cheap. Profitable. And the food industry has spent a century convincing everyone they're healthy. The alternative, admitting that industrial textile waste shouldn't have been turned into food, would require acknowledging the last 110 years of dietary advice was fundamentally corrupted from the start.
Like the demand for oils and fats didn't outstrip supply due to burgeoning population and industrialization. Demand outstripped supply and that's what drove efforts into the processes that turned waste into something useful. Which is the case for any number of things we use today, for better or worse.
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Your great-grandmother cooked with lard because that's what humans used for millennia. Then Procter & Gamble needed to sell soap alternatives and accidentally created the largest dietary change in human history.
She also cooked everthing in a big copper pot lined with leaded tin. I know because that copper pot is still in my family and I had it professionally re-tinned (with pure tin) over 10 years ago and the shop that did the work said it still had some of the original lining that had a lot of lead in it. Thankfully it never was used to cook with in my lifetime and is still only a decorative piece of top of the pot rack.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 5:08 pm to rltiger
I never cook with oil. I just pour a little bit of water in the pan or bake stuff in the oven
Posted on 2/6/26 at 5:10 pm to BigDropper
Trump's gonna rename it "Amerola"
Posted on 2/6/26 at 6:21 pm to Shepherd88
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If you feel like you need a PhD Nutritionist to give you a much further detailed history of how dark it really is, then here’s your source, you can read the whole book. LINK
Another good book on this subject is Ultra Processed People.
Really opened my eyes to how shitty our food supply has tainted.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 6:25 pm to rltiger
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The process they develop is brutal.
Others would call it chemistry. Do you have any idea how many helpful products are synthesized from harmful precursors?
Posted on 2/6/26 at 6:59 pm to rltiger
Here’s the problem. Most people hear that crisco is bad and think that means bacon fat and butter is good. That’s bad logic.
There is indisputable evidence that high cholesterol causes heart disease. Like very clear studies of people with mutations that cause high cholesterol regardless of diet (they get severe heart disease) and people with mutations that cause low cholesterol (they have no heart disease)
Or studies of remote tribes who have LDL cholesterol levels of like 30 and they have very little heart disease.
Bacon fat and butter increase cholesterol
There is indisputable evidence that high cholesterol causes heart disease. Like very clear studies of people with mutations that cause high cholesterol regardless of diet (they get severe heart disease) and people with mutations that cause low cholesterol (they have no heart disease)
Or studies of remote tribes who have LDL cholesterol levels of like 30 and they have very little heart disease.
Bacon fat and butter increase cholesterol
This post was edited on 2/6/26 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/6/26 at 7:12 pm to LSUA 75
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I grew up with my mother using Crisco
Same, and margarine, and sheds spread, etc. My 86 year old dad ate enough processed shite in his life to kill a whale and he’s still doing bench presses and shite
This post was edited on 2/6/26 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:53 pm to rltiger
Food companies and our politicians that allowed them to poison us should be jailed. And our doctors have been right there with them. Telling us to cut salt, which is totally stupid and backward. Don’t eat eggs. Completely wrong.
I’ve know about how Crisco came about for a long time now. It was also a… machine lubricant before the AHA was bribed into telling us it was healthy.
And to this day, people still think lard is bad. It’s not. They think bacon is bad for you. It’s not. It’s the crap they put in it. People think eggs are bad. They’re not. They’re damn near the perfect food for you.
People think eggs cause cholesterol. They don’t. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ingest cholesterol. It’s your bodies reaction to inflammation. Cut the things that are inflammatory. Like seed oils. And eat more natural fats. They’re the least inflammatory food we eat.
You want to know what not to eat? Think marshmallows at a campfire. That how sugar reacts with your body.
I’ve know about how Crisco came about for a long time now. It was also a… machine lubricant before the AHA was bribed into telling us it was healthy.
And to this day, people still think lard is bad. It’s not. They think bacon is bad for you. It’s not. It’s the crap they put in it. People think eggs are bad. They’re not. They’re damn near the perfect food for you.
People think eggs cause cholesterol. They don’t. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ingest cholesterol. It’s your bodies reaction to inflammation. Cut the things that are inflammatory. Like seed oils. And eat more natural fats. They’re the least inflammatory food we eat.
You want to know what not to eat? Think marshmallows at a campfire. That how sugar reacts with your body.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:06 pm to Knuckle Checker
quote:There's been a lot of advances concerning cholesterol if you still think there are only two types.
cholesterol
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