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re: This is a good this is a good article on seed oils It has corporate greed, AMA, and ….
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:17 pm to St Augustine
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:17 pm to St Augustine
People will believe anything, from any source.
The OP copied and pasted a post from some half-wit "personal trainer" in Wales, and we've got guys on here changing their gumbo recipes.
I guess all of 'em are boomers.
The OP copied and pasted a post from some half-wit "personal trainer" in Wales, and we've got guys on here changing their gumbo recipes.
I guess all of 'em are boomers.
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Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:23 pm to rltiger
quote:
This is rapeseed, from which canola oil is derived...
Was at Costco the other day and saw something similar to this and thought in my head, this just looks like a big container of motor oil
Lots of good seed oil free options online, unfortunately it’s still hard to find locally.
Masa chips are pretty tasty and if you get on sale the price isn’t too too bad. I eat less of them than a bag of regular tortilla chips.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:26 pm to TigerBait1971
quote:I’ve switched to ghee. It’s just clarified butter (butter with cream removed) so it doesn’t burn as easily. Much tastier and less motor oil.
I use Canola oil to make my rouxs for gumbo. Can I use lard instead? Never tried it.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 5:09 am to Clames
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people like the OP that chose a side with zero critical thinking or due diligence,
I was in the food business for 40 years representing companies like Riceland, ADM, Cargill, Bunge, P&G, etc. I have attended 100’s of sales meetings regarding oil and sold millions and millions of pounds of oil. Know all the bells, whistles, benefits, and drawbacks between high oleic, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated, hydrogenated, non hydrogenated, liquid and solid shortenings. BTW, “Crisco” brand is licensed to different companies, I literally sold Crisco against other Crisco.
Was around when palm oil in food was declared the devil. Seen the absolute health disaster of selling certain “plant based” garbage to ride a trend. What I learned is food companies will mask health risks and disguise products to sell and market for profits. Not judging, made a ton and retired early, and I’m not choosing a side.
As far as pots, I threw out all my non stick and only use stainless steel, carbon steel, and cast iron. I also ditched plastic storage containers for glass, drink from reverse osmosis filter, and quit drinking and eating on plastic. Will it help? I don’t know, but I it seems like I don’t have as many aches and pains.
Time will tell
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:54 am to Lou Loomis
quote:What??
It is IMPOSSIBLE to ingest cholesterol. It’s your bodies reaction to inflammation.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:03 am to Knuckle Checker
quote:
Here’s the problem. Most people hear that crisco is bad and think that means bacon fat and butter is good. That’s bad logic.
There is indisputable evidence that high cholesterol causes heart disease. Like very clear studies of people with mutations that cause high cholesterol regardless of diet (they get severe heart disease) and people with mutations that cause low cholesterol (they have no heart disease)
Or studies of remote tribes who have LDL cholesterol levels of like 30 and they have very little heart disease.
Bacon fat and butter increase cholesterol
Would you be so kind to link some of this research so that I can educate myself. Thanks
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:35 am to ruzil
Sure I asked ChatGPT to help…
1) Early landmark MR evidence (2012–2014 era)
Holmes MV et al.
Mendelian randomization of blood lipids for coronary heart disease.
European Heart Journal (2014).
• Used SNPs affecting LDL, HDL, triglycerides across 17 studies (~62k participants, ~12k CHD events).
• Found genetic variants that raise LDL were associated with higher CHD risk, supporting causality.
• HDL did not show the same causal signal.
• This paper is widely cited as one of the major modern MR demonstrations for LDL ? CHD.
• PubMed entry:
Evidence summary: weighted allele scores for LDL-related variants were significantly associated with coronary heart disease outcomes. ?
?
2) Lifelong LDL exposure study (a very influential MR analysis)
Ference BA et al.
Effect of long-term exposure to lower LDL cholesterol beginning early in life on the risk of coronary heart disease.
Journal of the American College of Cardiology (2012).
• Meta-analysis of genetic variants that naturally lower LDL from birth.
• Found large reductions in CHD risk proportional to lifelong LDL lowering.
• Often cited as key genetic support for the LDL causal hypothesis.
(Excerpt summarized from study data):
• Each ~1 mmol/L lower LDL from genetic variants linked to roughly ~50% lower CHD risk. ?
1) Early landmark MR evidence (2012–2014 era)
Holmes MV et al.
Mendelian randomization of blood lipids for coronary heart disease.
European Heart Journal (2014).
• Used SNPs affecting LDL, HDL, triglycerides across 17 studies (~62k participants, ~12k CHD events).
• Found genetic variants that raise LDL were associated with higher CHD risk, supporting causality.
• HDL did not show the same causal signal.
• This paper is widely cited as one of the major modern MR demonstrations for LDL ? CHD.
• PubMed entry:
Evidence summary: weighted allele scores for LDL-related variants were significantly associated with coronary heart disease outcomes. ?
?
2) Lifelong LDL exposure study (a very influential MR analysis)
Ference BA et al.
Effect of long-term exposure to lower LDL cholesterol beginning early in life on the risk of coronary heart disease.
Journal of the American College of Cardiology (2012).
• Meta-analysis of genetic variants that naturally lower LDL from birth.
• Found large reductions in CHD risk proportional to lifelong LDL lowering.
• Often cited as key genetic support for the LDL causal hypothesis.
(Excerpt summarized from study data):
• Each ~1 mmol/L lower LDL from genetic variants linked to roughly ~50% lower CHD risk. ?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:36 am to Knuckle Checker
3) Drug-target genetics (PCSK9 / LDLR variants)
Schmidt AF et al.
Phenome-wide association analysis of LDL-cholesterol-lowering genetic variants in PCSK9.
BMC Cardiovascular Disorders (2019).
• Used naturally occurring LDL-lowering gene variants.
• Showed that genetically lowered LDL is associated with reduced cardiovascular disease phenotypes.
• Helped validate PCSK9 inhibition as a therapeutic target. ?
?
4) Modern large-scale two-sample MR studies (replication era)
Example:
Two-sample MR metabolite study (2025)
• Used GWAS datasets (~86k CHD cases).
• Found genetically higher LDL cholesterol fractions associated with increased CHD risk (OR ~1.7–2.2 depending on LDL subtype).
Schmidt AF et al.
Phenome-wide association analysis of LDL-cholesterol-lowering genetic variants in PCSK9.
BMC Cardiovascular Disorders (2019).
• Used naturally occurring LDL-lowering gene variants.
• Showed that genetically lowered LDL is associated with reduced cardiovascular disease phenotypes.
• Helped validate PCSK9 inhibition as a therapeutic target. ?
?
4) Modern large-scale two-sample MR studies (replication era)
Example:
Two-sample MR metabolite study (2025)
• Used GWAS datasets (~86k CHD cases).
• Found genetically higher LDL cholesterol fractions associated with increased CHD risk (OR ~1.7–2.2 depending on LDL subtype).
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:40 am to ruzil
Just to put some of this in layman’s terms…. Mendelian randomization means they used genetics to prove LDL is bad since diets and peoples reporting of their diets can vary so much.
Some people have random mutations that cause naturally higher LDL no matter what they eat. Some people have extremely low or nonexistent LDL no matter what they eat.
They organized these people by their LDL genetics and it turns out that as your LDL genetics get worse so does your risk for heart disease.
It’s one of the most reliable ways to determine causation in medicine.
Do you have any questions?
Some people have random mutations that cause naturally higher LDL no matter what they eat. Some people have extremely low or nonexistent LDL no matter what they eat.
They organized these people by their LDL genetics and it turns out that as your LDL genetics get worse so does your risk for heart disease.
It’s one of the most reliable ways to determine causation in medicine.
Do you have any questions?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:47 am to rltiger
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The result: Crisco. Crystallised cottonseed oil. Industrial textile waste transformed through chemical processing into something white and solid that looks like lard. They patent it in 1907, launch commercially in 1911.
But it'll give you an extra 2-3 inch drop on your curveball.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:04 am to ruzil
I’d also like to add that there is more evidence that LDL causes heart disease than there is that smoking causes lung cancer and I’m sure you wouldn’t dispute that.
Now we all know someone who smoked 2 packs a day for 50 years and lived to 95 without lung cancer. So the stories of “my grandpa cooked in bacon fat his whole life and lived to 95” are pretty irrelevant. There are always outliers due to genetic factors and luck.
I understand that there is money and influence in medicine. There is also money and influence in instagram grifting. So don’t fall for the last Instagram grift.
Now we all know someone who smoked 2 packs a day for 50 years and lived to 95 without lung cancer. So the stories of “my grandpa cooked in bacon fat his whole life and lived to 95” are pretty irrelevant. There are always outliers due to genetic factors and luck.
I understand that there is money and influence in medicine. There is also money and influence in instagram grifting. So don’t fall for the last Instagram grift.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:41 am to Knuckle Checker
Just to make sure I understand, you guys are telling me that companies advertise and market to sell their products and make money?
Damn, this is shocking news
Damn, this is shocking news
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:00 am to rltiger
Where do you buy lard? I've never noticed it in stores, although it might be there.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:14 am to rltiger
I looked up Crisco on Wiki and found this:
quote:
Around the time of the gay liberation movement of the 1960s–1980s, men commonly used Crisco as a lubricant for anal fisting since it was inexpensive and widely available.[13][14] It was prominently featured in gay pornography such as Erotic Hands (1980) before specialized products became available.[15][14] As a result, "Crisco" became a euphemism for fisting in gay slang.[16][17]
According to Drew Sawyer, a Ph.D. student who presented commentary on art history in a 2007 "Thing Theory" seminar class at Columbia University, in the 1970s, cans of Crisco were "so synonymous with gay sex that discos and bars around the world took on the name, such as Crisco Disco in New York City, one of the premiere clubs during the 1970s and early 1980s".[18] The DJ booth at Crisco Disco was designed to resemble a giant Crisco can.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:20 am to rltiger
To think I’ve seasoned every piece of cast iron cookware using Crisco. P&G can stick it deep in their arse!
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:34 am to supadave3
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Another good book on this subject is Ultra Processed People.
I saw that movie, it was called Soylent Green, but I never read the book. It took place in the future...2022.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:36 am to baldona
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Just to make sure I understand, you guys are telling me that companies advertise and market to sell their products and make money?
Damn, this is shocking news
Some of you are straight up obtuse, morons.
It's the deceit that's the issue. Lying that something is healthy, or at minimum, healthier than something else, while it being a total lie. That's the issue.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:42 am to BigDropper
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Very unmarketable name which is why it is sold as Canola which stands for Canada oil low acid.
It’s amazing how people can be manipulated into liking/not liking a product based purely on name alone. You see Patagonia tooth fish on the menu, you want nothing to do with it. You see Chilean Sea bass and you think of exotic delight.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:43 am to Clames
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Eggs are rich in Omega-6 too. So are a lot of nuts that were/are a major portion of the diets of humans in antiquity so that assertion is pretty much all bullshite.
This is absolute bullshite.
Eggs contain small amounts of omega-6, and they’re balanced with saturated fat, monounsaturated fat, omega-3s (especially in pasture-raised eggs), plus cholesterol, choline, and antioxidants. The omega-6 load isn’t remotely comparable to refined seed oils.
Eggs — ~0.6 g per large egg (~1.2 g per 100 g)
Safflower oil — ~12.7 g per 100 g (~1.73 g per Tbsp)
Walnuts — ~10.8 g per ounce (28 g) (~38 g per 100 g)
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 9:47 am
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:46 am to rltiger
Lmao this boards obsession with seed oils is insane. Did I miss something? It comes up at least every other day.
I don’t think they are good, but holy shite. Out of all the things you could demonize in this country. Yall pick seed oils? Am I going insane?
It’s very easy to just not eat them. Just eat normal foods. You don’t have to eat shite in a box.
Can someone explain to me why yall can’t get off this topic?
I don’t think they are good, but holy shite. Out of all the things you could demonize in this country. Yall pick seed oils? Am I going insane?
It’s very easy to just not eat them. Just eat normal foods. You don’t have to eat shite in a box.
Can someone explain to me why yall can’t get off this topic?
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