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re: The hantavirus has made it to land in Switzerland from the cruise ship
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:44 am to stout
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:44 am to stout
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Also, it looks like they’re just going to let the people on the cruise ship infect each other and die at sea. If it does spread from human to human, has no cure or treatment, and kills 50% of the people it infects, then leaving them at sea and sacrificing them sadly seems like the best option.
Yet only 3 have died on that ship. This was also a $30,000/ticket cruise, so we can probably assume we are dealing with elderly people again.
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:45 am to stout
Sounds like the vaccine hacks are back in business.....say no to vaccines....be a pure blood......this time Trump will not take the bait. He will stand firm.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:46 am to stout
If the cruise ship is still at sea, how has it jumped all the way to the middle of Europe?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:49 am to stout
I do have a background in infectious disease and public health/ containment.
Things i would want to know about this are
1. is this really a new strain or is some other factor going on?
2. if it is, how has it mutated?
3. Are people currently infected on the ship developing HPF or other symptoms? (im guessing yes considering from what i've ready 3 of 6 have died).
2 is the big one for me. The route of infection is big in something like this. One reassuring thing is that a typical cruise ship has 2000-5000 people on it. 6 people from what i have read have been infected. That is to me, extremely low for a highly dense population. It's not spreading very easily and should be contained easily. Appropriate PPE and clean up measure should mitigate risks. Hantavirus is a BSL-3 agent. Certainly bad, but far from the worst of the worst.
This is a interesting and unique case. I don't think any of us are dying from Hantavirus anytime soon. If i am wrong, guess we wont worry about chatting on TD
Things i would want to know about this are
1. is this really a new strain or is some other factor going on?
2. if it is, how has it mutated?
3. Are people currently infected on the ship developing HPF or other symptoms? (im guessing yes considering from what i've ready 3 of 6 have died).
2 is the big one for me. The route of infection is big in something like this. One reassuring thing is that a typical cruise ship has 2000-5000 people on it. 6 people from what i have read have been infected. That is to me, extremely low for a highly dense population. It's not spreading very easily and should be contained easily. Appropriate PPE and clean up measure should mitigate risks. Hantavirus is a BSL-3 agent. Certainly bad, but far from the worst of the worst.
This is a interesting and unique case. I don't think any of us are dying from Hantavirus anytime soon. If i am wrong, guess we wont worry about chatting on TD
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 10:51 am
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:49 am to Darth_Vader
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the cruise ship is still at sea, how has it jumped all the way to the middle of Europe?
Hush and put on that mask, peasant!
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:51 am to stout
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Two flights of people in a long metal tube, breathing the same recycled air as two people from the ship, then going home to their families, is concerning
Why the hell were they allowed to travel on a commercial airline?
Also another reason to avoid a cruise
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:51 am to stout
Viruses
International law / chit goes down a lot
(Murders, sex trafficking) - No US jurisdiction
Stuck on boat for days with who knows
Sell me on a cruise
Not my thing on best of cruises much less the bad news that reinforces it.
International law / chit goes down a lot
(Murders, sex trafficking) - No US jurisdiction
Stuck on boat for days with who knows
Sell me on a cruise
Not my thing on best of cruises much less the bad news that reinforces it.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:52 am to caro81
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cruise ship has 2000-5000 people on it. 6 people from what i have read have been infected.
This is a small expedition cruise ship with only 147 people on board, including the guests and staff
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:53 am to stout
Me while reading this thread, just in case.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:55 am to lsupride87
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The best thing as it relates to transmission is this virus is extremely deadly and symptoms come on fast
That doesn’t lead to it being something that can really super spread.
Generally true.
I think part of the concern may be that hantavirus also, regrettably, tends to have a long incubation time. Per google:
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The incubation period for hantavirus typically ranges from 1 to 8 weeks after exposure to infected rodent excreta, with most cases developing symptoms within 2 to 3 weeks. While symptoms often appear around 14–17 days, they can appear as early as a few days or up to 39 days
I didn't look up if the Andes strain is different than the main/other strain(s), but a potential windows of 39 days (or, alternatively, 8 weeks (56 days?)) is a long time. Not sure, but think testing during the incubation phase (before symptoms develop) isn't that effective.
So these people might have to be isolated / monitored for a good while longer.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:56 am to stout
All I know is honkus better not be there to bring that shite to the US like he did for covid
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:56 am to TDsngumbo
My understanding is the Andes Virus was already known to be the only hantavirus with human to human transmissibility. So it wouldn't be new/novel.
Also, that it requires close contact and all those infected were in close contact (even more closely than just being on a cruise together, as in being in several shared cabins).
Also, that it requires close contact and all those infected were in close contact (even more closely than just being on a cruise together, as in being in several shared cabins).
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:56 am to LNCHBOX
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All I know is honkus better not be there
This would be the funniest thing ever
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:58 am to stout
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This is a small expedition cruise ship with only 147 people on board, including the guests and staff
Well, in one sense kind of better. much easier to maintain and kept controlled.
Much higher infection rate. Specific circumstances of who was infected, and how the staff/cre intermingled here will be pretty telling. Have the released any of that?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:59 am to caro81
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Have the released any of that?
If they have, I didn't see it
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:59 am to caro81
Presumably very close quarters given the small size. And if the number of infected stays relatively low even considering the prolonged contact in a small space - that would bear out the idea that it takes both prolonged and very close contact to go human to human, no?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:04 am to stout
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they’re just going to let the people on the cruise ship infect each other and die at sea
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:08 am to epbart
That incubation time obviously is inaccurate for this strain. These people are dying within a week
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:08 am to Pettifogger
Yes.
Like i said the circumstances matter a lot here. If the people infected were mostly a family and the cleaning crew for their shared rooms, way less concerning than 6 unique and more seemingly isolated cases.
Like i said the circumstances matter a lot here. If the people infected were mostly a family and the cleaning crew for their shared rooms, way less concerning than 6 unique and more seemingly isolated cases.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:10 am to Darth_Vader
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If the cruise ship is still at sea, how has it jumped all the way to the middle of Europe?
Kinda coincidental don’t you think ?
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