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re: The "downfall of EV's" appears to be propaganda and overhyped
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:33 am to Joshjrn
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:33 am to Joshjrn
But you’re forgetting a few things. SC taxes the piss out of you for hybrids and EV’s to makeup the lost revenue from gas taxes. It’s like $150 extra and then the county gets their pound of flesh too. Then insurance, my insurance wanted $88 a month extra for a hybrid civic over a regular civic sport ICE. Screw that.
This post was edited on 10/2/26 at 10:34 am
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:34 am to sidewalkside
All I can add is that Mercedes has all but abandoned their EV program.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:35 am to LNCHBOX
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because it shows the EV market overall was artificially propped up by tax payer funded benefits for purchase and Biden era EPA mandates. Now that those are gone, only the decent EVs are remaining on the market.
It was. Tesla was smart and used those incentives as an opportunity to fund its way toward becoming efficient and cost effective in manufacturing, so that they can be profitable without the credits. I'm not sure if they get there without the credits, but that's not necessarily a bad thing in the long run.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:40 am to Joshjrn
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While true in theory, one would think we would see evidence of it by this point.
We do see that evidence, especially amongst EVs that are used in the hottest or coldest regions. Just like with the batteries that run power tools, keep them where they are not in a conditioned space while not in use and they won't last as long, the core lithium chemistry is what it is. That's a major advantage of hybrids is that they can be driven while the battery is given time to get to a better temperature before being used or charged, which is why hybrids have the better battery lifespans.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:56 am to East Coast Band
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All I can add is that Mercedes has all but abandoned their EV program.
That's not accurate. They have to continue their EV program for Europe since they have a governmental mandate for 55% CO2 emissions reduction by 2030 is in place. The only way to achieve that is with EVs.
Mercedes has a 60 billion Euro annual budget about 40 billion of that is slated toward EV production. Even thought they've changed course some, they've reduced investments into ICE and Hybrids by 80% over the last 5 years.
"Despite re-introducing flexibility, legacy investments into purely traditional, non-electrified combustion engines and plug-in hybrids have been systematically reduced by 80% compared to 2019"
This post was edited on 10/2/26 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/2/26 at 11:10 am to Joshjrn
quote:I would never stay in a vehicle that long, so that is why I have a concern.
Tesla batteries have an expected lifespan of 300k-500k miles
Posted on 10/2/26 at 11:24 am to sidewalkside
F all this hybrid, twin turbo BS. Naturally aspirated V6s V8s will come back
I hope
I hope
Posted on 10/2/26 at 11:39 am to sidewalkside
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That share reached one in four new cars sold in 2025, according to IEA.
Asia and European markets
Posted on 10/2/26 at 11:41 am to Crawdaddy
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F all this hybrid, twin turbo BS. Naturally aspirated V6s V8s will come back
I hope
Not much of a reason for them to "come back" when my comfortable people mover hybrid would likely beat your naturally aspirated V8 off the line, to say nothing of dogwhipping your natty V6
Posted on 10/2/26 at 12:06 pm to sidewalkside
Only a dumbass thinks and hopes for a downfall of EVs
Posted on 10/2/26 at 12:10 pm to Joshjrn
quote:- since I'm currently looking for a new vehicle and only loosely familiar with EVs, I appreciate your posts. But how do EV
Joshjrn
quote:than an ICE's brakes? What's the difference in technology here?
brakes get less wear and tear
Posted on 10/2/26 at 12:17 pm to AlwysATgr
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What's the difference in technology here?
Regenerative braking. Once you’re used to it you’ll barely ever touch the brake pedal.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 12:27 pm to AlwysATgr
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than an ICE's brakes? What's the difference in technology here?
Most EVs and hybrids have what you'll hear referred to as "regenerative braking". Basically, energy from the wheels is used to recharge the battery. Now, the way I'm about to explain it isn't actually how the tech works, but I find it helps people conceptualize it: In an ICE vehicle, your engine is always pushing you forward. To slow or stop, you physically clamp pads down on your wheels to overcome that force. In a hybrid or EV drive train, you can stop providing power to the drivetrain instantly, so you have less force to overcome with your brakes. Now, on top of that (and here's where it doesn't really work like this, but kinda close enough) think of a power generating windmill. Blades turn, which turns an electric motor which creates energy. Now think of your car driving forward. You apply the brakes, and those windmill blades clamp onto your wheels, not only creating energy, but also adding resistance to the wheels. The harder you press the brakes, the more resistance those windmill blades give. As long as that resistance slows you down fast enough, you don't have to use mechanical brakes to overcome that force at all. And even if you do have to use your physical brakes, they are just the finishing touch as opposed to providing 100% of the stopping power.
Again, not really what's happening (the electric motor that was previously providing power essentially reverses and starts generating power), but it gives the general idea, in my opinion.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 12:34 pm to sgallo3
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If cheap Chinese EVs make it into the US it will flip the entire auto industry on it's head
Doubtful. American consumers at least want the illusion of product support that this companies wouldn’t be able to provide. The American offerings are already good. EVs should have never been seen as a substitute for ICE vehicles, they are a different use case and should be treated as such. I got one used and will be happy to drive it into the ground, and as long as it can keep 60+ miles of range I would keep it indefinitely rather than get burned on a trade it.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 12:39 pm to sidewalkside
I was at a Tier 2 supplier for one of the big 3 manufacturers yesterday. They had a dedicated line for one of the EV models. It’s only four years old and it’s been idle for 18 months. Spent over $40MM. Incidentally the entire 200,000 sf plant is closing due to their major customer switching to parts sourced from China and India
Posted on 10/2/26 at 1:32 pm to sidewalkside
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Hybrids
Hybrids are the best choice if you're wanting to do any kind of road trip.
Battery tech just isn't there yet.
Faster charging will help.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 1:37 pm to OceanMan
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Doubtful. American consumers at least want the illusion of product support that this companies wouldn’t be able to provide. The American offerings are already good.
Chinese EVs will never be allowed into the US. They would decimate the US automaker markets with government subsidized products then increase costs to profit.
There is no path for Chinese EVs at this point.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 1:48 pm to sidewalkside
At least in the United States, people don't want "EVs" - they want either:
1. Traditional ICEs (many buyers from their brand of choice)
2. Hybrids (from folks who do a good job, Toyota, Hyundai/Kia)
3. TESLAS if they are looking for an EV
With EVs (Teslas) folks are looking at the entire system - not just the appliance.
#Facts
1. Traditional ICEs (many buyers from their brand of choice)
2. Hybrids (from folks who do a good job, Toyota, Hyundai/Kia)
3. TESLAS if they are looking for an EV
With EVs (Teslas) folks are looking at the entire system - not just the appliance.
#Facts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 1:55 pm to Joshjrn
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Plug in Hybrids or PHEVs are the better choice for probably 90%+ of the consumer population.
FIFY.

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