re: The "downfall of EV's" appears to be propaganda and overhyped

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Yeah I think we are at the point with EVs where if you are in a 2 vehicle household it is financially inefficient for one of them not to be an EV that is used for your local trips.

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I currently have a hybrid sedan and my wife has an ICE SUV. Her next vehicle will almost certainly be a hybrid SUV. I’m starting to give thought to whether my next car is a hybrid or EV sedan. I never really planned to own a Tesla, but the self driving it offers is getting hard to pass up. We’ll see how I’m feeling in a year or two

I can't wait for fully autonomous cars to become available and affordable relative to one you have to drive yourself. I have a 2024 Corolla for a beater and it more or less drives itself already. Its 2 years old and the technology used that far back in history, relative to tech history, is astonishing....to the point that one can ride in an autonomous cab in Atlanta this morning if one needs to and has the desire.

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. If you never drive beyond the range of a single charge, ICE has functionally zero advantages over an EV and tons of drawbacks.

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Outside of increased insurance and higher upfront costs, got my mom into a brand new hybrid Camry recently, 50+ MPG so she has excellent in-around-town and the option to drive anywhere without planning to find EV chargers. Hybrid/plug-in hybrid is the better option over pure EVs for all but the most lowest use drivers.

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The orange man will keep gasoline prices high until we all give up and buy one.

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You do realize that we've seen higher prices at the pump all the way back to when Obama was in office

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When adjusted for inflation, the 5 months with the highest average national gasoline prices since 1978 were:

1) June 2008 - $6.19 with inflation adjustment
2) May 2011 - $5.81 with inflation adjustment
3) April 2012 - $5.63 with inflation adjustment
4) Sept 2012 - $5.56 with inflation adjustment
5) June 2022 - $5.49 with inflation adjustment

So, all are significantly higher than the average of $4.79 from May of this year and $4.35 from the latest data crunched for August. The issue is that we are up 36% from 2025.

Macrotrends US Gasoline Prices

Now...what is the big problem we currently are facing with fuel? Here are the National Diesel prices. The latest monthly average recorded, $6.29 per gallon, are the highest in history. In January of this year, they were $3.25 per gallon. The price of diesel drives up the price of everything delivered by trucks across the country. So, politically it makes sense to lower gasoline prices, because that is what the average consumer sees and remembers...but diesel is where the focus should be. Just because you aren't buying diesel for your vehicle, doesn't mean that it isn't hitting your pocketbook.

They don't adjust it for inflation...but the 5 highest diesel prices on the macrotrends chart are:

1) Sept 2026 - $6.29
2) June 2022 - $5.75
3) May 2026 - $5.60
4) Nov 2022 - $5.26
5) June 2008 - $4.68

The average diesel price in 2026 is up 82.34% from the 2025 average.


Macrotrends US Diesel Prices

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Resale is an issue currently

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No one seems to talk about it. One of my better friends has been in various aspects of the auto business his whole life(he's 60). He has an EV. When I ask him about what happens when your EV gets a bit old he said, "nobody wants them". That's my worry when thinking of getting into one.

I don’t care what kind of car or engine it is, full self drive is magic and should be the only thing anyone wants right now. So right now your options are a Tesla

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My wife has a 2014 Infinity’ hybrid. The battery is so dead the engine starts 1 second after ignition.

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How many miles does the car have, and how much would it cost you to replace the battery?

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When I ask him about what happens when your EV gets a bit old he said, "nobody wants them". That's my worry when thinking of getting into one.

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Part of that is that EV tech advanced extremely quickly. Now that we've left an evolution phase and reached a refinement phase, I would expect that to level out some. If the concern is about the battery, Tesla batteries have an expected lifespan of 300k-500k miles. I don't know about you, but I've never been particularly concerned about what kind of resale value my ICE vehicles might have after 300k-500k miles

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And a lot of manufacturers are moving away from planned EV releases. Coincidence?

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Tesla has no choice in this matter. So why is this relevant? It seems like you are saying that Tesla has the ability to make a substantial profit (without credits) selling these and ICE car manufacturers do not.

Expected lifespan vs real-life are very much different. Cyclical usage and the fact that EV batteries degrade even as they simply age are factors that are showing EV batteries don't last as long as touted in most cases, especially concerning as the average age of a vehicle in the US goes up.