re: Teen Tased By Trooper On Girlfriend's Porch

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It is cool if people just refuse to comply as long as they are not acting aggressive? So as long as I don't appear threatening I can ignore anything cops say to me?

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I mean, if you are in a place you are allowed to be and explain that to the cop non aggressively and he tells you to put your hands behind your back, it is perfectly understandable if you don’t immediately comply and try to explain the situation to him. It certainly isn’t a reason to be tazed or shot.

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Would you please cite to the law that states that citizens must comply with any and all requests made by police officers?

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Are you really THAT F*CKING STUPID to believe that it is an UNREASONABLE command by the cop to tell the kid to MERELY put his hands behind his back after the kid went running into someone's back yard upon seeing a cop, is dressed in your standard burglar's "uniform," and continues to text when the cop issued that COMPLETELY F*CKING REASONABLE command while holding a tazer?

How in the f*ck does the cop know that the kid is texting his girlfriend inside and not some armed accomplice who was already in the backyard or in the house with a weapon?

So he tazed him. BIG F*CKING DEAL. It's the reasonable use of a non-life-threating weapon to defuse the situation and take control of the situation. Given the kid's actions, he's very lucky that's not all that happened to him.

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Have you seen how Fast cops get shot?

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Have you seen how fast some cops shoot people?

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I'll let the OT determine who was in the right and who was in the wrong (or if there was a right and wrong).

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trooper is/was a dick but if a cop gives you a command, particularly when he's got something pointed at you that will hurt you, you'd be smart to comply

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after the kid went running into someone's back yard upon seeing a cop

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Unless the cop has footage of this occurring this is just hearsay.

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Have you seen how Fast cops get shot? Nearly every situation there is similar Initial behavior, Followed by an instant draw and firing.

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I'm really sympathetic to this argument and I give cops a fairly big benefit of the doubt as a result.

But he had the jump on this kid. Had the kid suddenly spun around, sure, smoke him with the taser. Honestly, if the cop saw the kid duck through the bushes, he came around the back yard and the kid bent down and reached into his pants/a bag and the cop shot him, THAT would be more justifiable IMO even though the kid was just as innocent.

But I just can't see any argument for force here based on the video. If the cop comes out and says "yeah, I heard yelling from within the house and thought an accomplice was about to come out" maybe that changes the scenario. But "he might have been texting his murder buddies to come murder the cop" isn't a very good basis, IMO.

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Are you ok with the police coming in your back yard and detaining you after you say you live there?

LEO'S have consistently lost when they escalate force in arrests of people who have the legal right to be on private property.

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If you were in a hazard a guess, What percentage of criminals would say “yes I’m here burglarizing the place”

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Are you really THAT F*CKING STUPID to believe that it is an UNREASONABLE command by the cop to tell the kid to MERELY put his hands behind his back after the kid went running into someone's back yard upon seeing a cop, is dressed in your standard burglar's "uniform," and continues to text when the cop issued that COMPLETELY F*CKING REASONABLE command while holding a tazer?

How in the f*ck does the cop know that the kid is texting his girlfriend inside and not some armed accomplice who was already in the backyard or in the house with a weapon?

So he tazed him. BIG F*CKING DEAL. It's the reasonable use of a non-life-threating weapon to defuse the situation and take control of the situation. Given the kid's actions, he's very lucky that's not all that happened to him.

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You sound very angry. Probably why you're taking the silly position that tasing a standing person isn't "life threatening".

But to swing back to my actual question: do you believe the officer's "command" was reasonable, or do you believe it was lawful? If lawful, would you please explain your analysis?

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Yeah, if my kid is ever being talked to by an adult (store clerk, waitress, Wal Mart greeter, policeman, etc.) and decided to dismiss him and look down at his fricking phone and text someone....he better hope they dont let me borrow the taser for when he gets his arse home.

What kinda shite stains are these parents raising?

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You wouldn’t think this way if you were led to believe that police are unfair to black kids and THEN find yourself in a situation where your kid is being unfairly treated by a police officer.

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so now texting is justification for use of force? Who knows, he could have been controlling an armed drone to come shoot the cop

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You just can't be THIS F*CKING STUPID.

It's like your weak mind refuses to look at all the f*cking facts in their totality.

He wasn't just "texting." He's wearing all black -- the standard "uniform" of (sometimes armed) home invaders. Upon seeing the cop, he ducked into someone's backyard. The cop confronts him IN SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD.

THEN AND ONLY THEN is he given a lawful order and refuses to comply. He keeps texting. The cop has no f*cking clue who he's texting. Is he texting an armed accomplice in the home.

After several warnings, the cop then uses NONLETHAL force to get control of the situation.

So, contrary the fantasy you've built up in your own low-IQ mind, he wasn't "just texting". It's not like he was standing on a corner, in front of his own house, or ringing the girl's front doorbell (like a normal person does), and the cop just came up and tazed him out of the blue.

And, no one should be as F*CKING STUPID as you in evaluating the totality of the event.