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Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:14 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm pretty pro police, but I don't think I want a society where we've conceded so much authority to law enforcement that the inkling of suspicion by a cop allows them to skip over a bunch of rational reactions to take an irrational one just because the citizen they're serving turns out to be a dick.
It's tricky for cops and I get that. He was right to check out the situation. But when he does so and there is no obvious threat of harm to himself/others, the issue switches to a mere disregard of authority. And that, IMO, cannot be the basis for use of significant force with a reasonable degree of serious harm to the teen. Particularly when the only genuine threat to the cop was that he was about to waste some time seeing if the girlfriend appeared or not.
This is about where I stand on it too. Seems like it could've been avoided had the cop confirmed that the girlfriend did live there. Hell, he could have even had his taser at the ready in case it wasn't a frail girl that walked out. But seems like that could've been handled much better.
Once you're in the situation though, it's also on you to make sure you don't escalate. And the teen telling the cop to frick off and that he's not doing anything doesn't exactly cut it. No criminal is gonna be like "Yeah, I'm about to rob this house." They will all say they aren't doing anything, or get belligerent with police. Once the cop made the decision to investigate, he can't stop simply because the teen says "frick off, I'm not doing anything."
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:14 pm to Kentucker
quote:Imagine saying out loud that cops have free reign to arrest anyone for whatever reason they wanted.
YES THEY frickING DO!
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:15 pm to Kentucker
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Which he did. He approached the kid in a lawful manner, instructed him what to do and then reacted when the kid said, “frick you.” That was a clear rejection of the cop’s lawful authority by the kid.
And he came out of that interaction with what understanding of the potential threat?
You seem to be furthering my conclusion that the cop tased the kid because he rejected the cop's authority, not because of a threat to the officer/others. And as that kid was not actively resisting and as there was probably not an imminent arrest forthcoming, I don't see how the use of the taser was justifiable.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:15 pm to OweO
Lil dumbass running and ducking in the bushes is stoopid.
That said, Johnny Law done fawked up. Jumped like 4 rungs on the use if force ladder.
That said, Johnny Law done fawked up. Jumped like 4 rungs on the use if force ladder.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:15 pm to Pettifogger
There was lots of blame to go around in the situation.
1) Cop likely did profile the kid, but no way to for sure know that.
2) the kid shouldn’t be running away from the cop if he is just going to his girlfriend’s house. He had no reason to make it seem like he did something wrong. This is entirely due to the fact that black kids are being brainwashed to think all cops are out to get them.
3) kid could have complied more with the cop when asked although it was a bit much by the cop.
4) Cop unnecessarily escalated things by using the taser without it being warranted. Anyone defending the idiot cop on that note is just a moron.
Sad situation all around that could have been prevented at multiple junctions.
This is what our country is coming to that na to idiotic race-baiters. They push an ultimately false narrative by claiming the exceptions (rare) as the rule, and people buy into it. This makes things worse because they don’t respect the cops and instead automatically think the worst.
1) Cop likely did profile the kid, but no way to for sure know that.
2) the kid shouldn’t be running away from the cop if he is just going to his girlfriend’s house. He had no reason to make it seem like he did something wrong. This is entirely due to the fact that black kids are being brainwashed to think all cops are out to get them.
3) kid could have complied more with the cop when asked although it was a bit much by the cop.
4) Cop unnecessarily escalated things by using the taser without it being warranted. Anyone defending the idiot cop on that note is just a moron.
Sad situation all around that could have been prevented at multiple junctions.
This is what our country is coming to that na to idiotic race-baiters. They push an ultimately false narrative by claiming the exceptions (rare) as the rule, and people buy into it. This makes things worse because they don’t respect the cops and instead automatically think the worst.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:15 pm to MMauler
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It's my schtick.
I mainly do it because one time when I did it long ago, I had about five or six people tell me that I didn't need to do it.
So, now I just do it to f*ck with people.
Fair enough.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:16 pm to Kentucker
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the kid said, “frick you.”
I didn't catch this earlier. He got what he got.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:17 pm to CocomoLSU
who pays to repair the fire pit?
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:18 pm to shel311
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What is this nuance thing you're trying here?
Pick a side!!!!
Like PF said, I am also generally pro police, but when they are doing the right thing. So I always try to approach these threads rationally. Hell, usually even when I try to do that, people call me a bootlicker and all sorts of idiotic names. It's like they don't realize that it's okay to support police and still hate/call out bad ones. In my experience, both sides are full of idiots.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:18 pm to TDTOM
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the kid said, “frick you.”
I didn't catch this earlier. He got what he got.
while a stupid thing for the punk to say I don't think that's against the law
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:19 pm to OweO
Dress like a hardcore thug, get mad when people think you’re a hardcore thug.
When keeping it real goes wrong.
When keeping it real goes wrong.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:19 pm to 777Tiger
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while a stupid thing for the punk to say I don't think that's against the law
frick you.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:19 pm to MMauler
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THIS F*CKING STUPID.
Do you have any auto-capitalize feature or something?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:19 pm to MMauler
quote:Thanks, let's look at just that, EXACTLY what I said
Here's EXACTLY what you stated --
quote:Now let's look at your response to this quote:
quote: If that's the route he always takes to go in the house, why would he not do that if the cop was not telling him to stop?
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So, NOW, you want all cops to ignore suspicious looking characters who duck into other people's backyards upon seeing a cop patrolling a neighborhood because ducking a cop and entering through someone's backyard MIGHT be the way the person always takes to go into a house -- instead of going to the front door and knocking like 99.99999% of the human f*cking population.
Now do you get why what you said has zero sense whatsoever? If not, I really can't help you any more. It's very simple comprehension. I posted about what the kid was doing, you replied insinuating something I said nothing about or insinuated nothing about, the cop's action from that given quote.
quote:No, not at all. I'm viewing this from the kid's angle. If the kid always goes that route and the cop wasn't actively trying to pull him over or whatever, my question was, why would he not do that? FWIW, you didn't even try to answer my very direct question, you just went off on an entirely different tangent.
Are you saying that doesn't imply that so long as it's "the route he always takes to go in the house," that a cop should somehow know that AND shouldn't look at that as suspicious behavior?
quote:Can you describe the "highly fricking suspicous behavior" the kid displayed BEFORE going into the backyard?
He was engaged in HIGHLY F*CKING SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR -- whether that's the way he "normally" enters this girl's backyard or not.
HE WORE DARK CLOTHES, THE HORROR!!!
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:20 pm to TDTOM
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frick you.
TASE!!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:20 pm to TDTOM
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quote:
while a stupid thing for the punk to say I don't think that's against the law
frick you.
I'm calling the cops. Where do you live!?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:20 pm to WDE24
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Your comments went way beyond this situation to anyone, anytime, anywhere…including entering a residence to obtain ID.
Bull. I said “at any location.” That’s different from your “anyone, anytime, anywhere.” A cop can enter a residence with a suspect to get his ID. It would be stupid not to do so. The suspect could come back out blazing. You’re deflecting.
Go have lunch.
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I haven’t said a word about ethnicity.
But it’s true. Everyone supports laws and their enforcers until they’re the suspect.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:21 pm to kjp811
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I'm calling the cops. Where do you live!?
tell them to go through to the back.
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